So basically, Trudeau admits in fact he is everything a bunch of blue collar truckers say he is.
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#812Earlier quoted context omitted.
The trick is to categorize protestors as "domestic terroists", despite having not done any extreme violent actions, as the Canadian government seems to be doing here.
The govt didn't coin that, the public did, by virtue that protesters are terrorizing the residents. Harassment, 100+db horns at night, vandalization, etc.
> The govt didn't coin that
https://twitter.com/FrischReport/status/1493344853421436946
They are using terrorism financing laws to execute this.
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#814The number of comments on this that are just fine with wild authoritarian abuses like this "because vaccines are good" is astounding. People have such idealogical myopia and are shocked and appalled when the same measures are used against their interests.
I'm seeing this on the second page, and I have yet to see a top-level comment that's in favor of this action. Most of them repeat near-identical points about how peaceful the protests have been, red herrings about Trudeau's stance re: India, and so on. The upvotes/downvotes seem to have swung heavily the same way at the same time. So I guess you don't need to act astounded any more.
Or perhaps I authored the reply when the replies were heavily in favor. For someone with a history and karma to reflect it here, your cynicism and snark doesn't serve you well in this instance.
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#815When protests were happening in India this is what Trudeau had to say: "Let me remind you, Canada will always be there to defend the rights of peaceful protesters. We believe in the process of dialogue. We’ve reached out through multiple means to the Indian authorities to highlight our concerns. This is a moment for all of us to pull together,"Justin Trudeau said. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/situation-is-…
But they aren’t being peaceful in Ottawa. They tried to burn down a condo building last night and have terrorized residents there for weeks now.
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#816Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.
That is an exaggerated headline. Accounts being used to fund illegal activities can be frozen. Protesting is not and will not be illegal. Blocking critical infrastructure is illegal.
> Blocking critical infrastructure is illegal.
Emergency powers weren't invoked in 2020 when Canada's railways were blocked for months. In fact, at the time Trudeau was quoted saying things like "Politicians should not be telling the police how to deal with protesters"
The double standards in this country are staggering at times.
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#817Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm seeing this on the second page, and I have yet to see a top-level comment that's in favor of this action. Most of them repeat near-identical points about how peaceful the protests have been, red herrings about Trudeau's stance re: India, and so on. The upvotes/downvotes seem to have swung heavily the same way at the same time. So I guess you don't need to act astounded any more.
Or perhaps I authored the reply when the replies were heavily in favor. For someone with a history and karma to reflect it here, your cynicism and snark doesn't serve you well in this instance.
I wasn't being snarky. I was merely pointing out that the situation had changed since you made your observation. No need to turn that into personal attacks.
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#818Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems like these protests ought to be solvable by the police, using normal police powers, without resorting to emergency measures or doing things like freezing accounts and suspending truckers' licenses. Why not do the obvious thing: send the police in to arrest people who won't leave. Tow their trucks. That worked at the border the other day -- why wouldn't it work in Ottawa too? It's not like the Canadian police…
The Ottawa police refused to do any enforcement. They claimed they didn't have enough manpower and needed help from the provincial and federal governments. Why they were so poorly prepared when the convoy was broadcasting its intentions in advance is a great question, but it also doesn't help now. The Ottawa Police Service abandoned the people of the city for weeks and now can't resolve the problem on its own. So I g…
>The Ottawa police refused to do any enforcement.
This is not correct. The Ottawa police have repeatedly said that they're ready to arrest anyone breaking the law but currently it is not illegal to park in public roads with trucks and the truck drivers are mostly abiding by all laws. Less than half a dozen people have been arrested because there's no laws being broken.
The reason they are not doing any enforcement is because they have no legal authority to kick out the bulk of the protestors.
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#819Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.
It seems like these protests ought to be solvable by the police, using normal police powers, without resorting to emergency measures or doing things like freezing accounts and suspending truckers' licenses. Why not do the obvious thing: send the police in to arrest people who won't leave. Tow their trucks. That worked at the border the other day -- why wouldn't it work in Ottawa too? It's not like the Canadian police…
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#820Some facts (and a few polls) suggest that the Trucker convoy isn't a broadly popular movement of truckers as much as a well funded tiny minority without broad support even from truckers. First 90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated. https://newrepublic.com/article/165341/fox-news-vaccine-cana... Evidence suggests that funding for this protest is in large part foreign (IE not from canada) and that most canadian donat…
> First 90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated. https://newrepublic.com/article/165341/fox-news-vaccine-cana ... My understanding was this was about the mandates and restrictions themselves not about the vaccine. I mean I am vaxxed and oppose vax mandates.
It's not about any mandate, because there isn't one. If people don't want to get vaccinated they can quarantine for 14 days when they cross the US-Canada border. Or they can just move trucks domestically within Canada or the US. All those options are open to them. Truckers just no longer get a special cross-border exemption and have to play by the same rules everyone else has for a while when they cross the border (vaccinated or quarantine)