Watching this get over 730 likes and 1100 comments and be pushed to the very bottom of the front page of HN. Hm.
Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
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#812I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…
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If the government openly pressures Spotify, that is government censorship, which is literally what just happened.
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Because there isn’t a good alternative for distribution.
There really isn’t.
Because the press employs less people nationwide than any time since … who knows, before the 1950s.
We need good information. We need uncensored information and this includes misinformation. We need to hear opinions and points of view including contrarian, controversial, and fringe ones.
I got an something important out of that Alex Jones returns episode. No one else I know thought it had any value, but for whatever reason I saw value in it.
What is the uncensored alternative? Truly.
If cloudflare can shut down whoever they want, if social media shuts down whoever they want, what is the real solution?
If we don’t have an answer, we don’t have free speech, so talking about Spotify being a private company is true but it can’t be viewed in isolation.
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#813Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps you do speak for the majority. I am a fairly heavy Podcast consumer (I run a lot and like to listen to them), and JRE is consistently among my top two (always a battle with the ever great Rich Roll) because of the sheer diversity of guests he has on. I don’t care for MMA or most of the comedians so I skip those but that’s fine because Rogan is so prolific that there will be something interesting in the next f…
Do you think referring to Rutger's basketball players as "nappy headed-hoes" was in line? It sounds like you barely have any idea of what Stern's controversy was about.
You seem to be confusing Don Imus, another radio shock jock, with Howard Stern.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#814I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…
I don't disagree with you, but legally purchasing the intellectual property rights to a work, and the proceeding to hide it from the public is still censorship in my book. It might not be quite as wrong or bad as, say, state-sponsored blanket censorship, but I think we should call it what it is. A work was available and now it's not. The only reason being that an entity decided that it should be removed from view. Ce…
How do you call the opposite phenomenon in which a company is forced to continue engaging in money-losing activities because of interests external to the company (in this case, the interest in not making Joe Rogan episodes unavailable)?
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#815I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…
From what I've seen on HN, censorship is anytime a platform, publisher or outlet divests itself of a right-wing content producer. Threads about Parler, Youtube, Gab, Parler & Cloudflare have wild levels of engagement with everything being considered censorship. But when books like Maus are removed from the shelves, we don't hear a peep out of the HN community compared to a banned twitter account.
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#816I grew up around evangelical Christians. The negative reaction to Rogan *feels* exactly like the clucking and tutting about 'dangerous ideas' that I've heard from the more cellophane elements of that crew.
This comment seems grossly overgeneralized and patently offensive about a huge group of people. What does Joe Rogan have to do at all with evangelical Christians?
I think you misread. The feeling described is about peoples reaction to Joe Rogan (like his tacit support for anti-vaccine ideology) and how evangelicals have the same reaction to things they don't like (like rights for women).
As far as I can tell evangelicals and many other Christian denominations are some of the biggest cancellers to ever exist. The left cancels, too, of course. And only now that the left's actions are becoming broadly effective folks are finally talking about how cancellations affect society.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#817I listened to JRE years ago, and those early shows were pretty raunchy at times. When he started getting popular and more "mainstream", I knew those were going to come back to bite him, it was just a matter of time. I'm just surprised it took this long.
Maybe the move to Spotify shielded him for a while, making it harder for people to just run across these episodes by chance.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#818Predictably, people break out the C-word. Every business decides what they sell and what they don't. Do they also complain about censorship and shout at the manager of a shoe store for not selling books? Spotify decided they don't want to sell those episodes of JR. That's not censorship, it's business, and it's very different than if it's done by the government.
> Do they also complain about censorship and shout at the manager of a shoe store for not selling books? No. Censorship is the suppression of speech. If you don't sell a book because you don't think it fits your store, or you don't think it's profitable, that's not censorship. But if you refuse to carry a book SPECIFICALLY because you don't like the message, then that IS censorship. Some forms of censorship are illeg…
how is it suppression if the material is easily available via other sources? like say other book stores?
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#819Watching this get over 730 likes and 1100 comments and be pushed to the very bottom of the front page of HN. Hm.
It has been discussed by Dang before that threads with very high comment activity are punished by the algo as they're almost always flame wars.
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#820Earlier quoted context omitted.
They've removed comedians mostly because they talk about "sensitive" issues openly and without taboos, oftentimes politically incorrect and careless: ex. transgender and alike themes. Isn't this what comedy should be like? [1] [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UHr5baraKo
Comedy is not equal to being offensive. Being offensive is not itself comedy. Some comedy is offensively misinformed and still legitimately funny at the same time (e.g. Chapelle had some parts that made me chuckle, and some parts where I dreaded stereotypes about me being reinforced). But some is just bad. Look at Steven Crowder doing "comedy" for instance. That aside, I'd rather they had removed Abigail Shrier, who…
You're right it's not the same, but the same thing with Gervais's presentation, for some it's offensive, for some hilarious. I support comedy in general, not cancel culture though.