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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by bllguo »

filoleg wrote: post #787
bllguo wrote: post #760

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your appeal to emotion rings hollow. Did I deny that? My family viewed the US as such in the past. No longer, I can assure you. It is precisely because we have experienced life in the US and Asia that I feel that I can actually comment on this topic. If you seriously think millions of Taiwanese think this of America I would love to see your reaction when you travel there. Ohio, the Mojave, Alaska. Insulting on a whol…

> If you seriously think millions of Taiwanese think this of America I would love to see your reaction when you travel there. Whether intentionally or not, I think you are misreading the parent comment. They never claimed that this is how the Taiwanese population views the US now. They are claiming that this is how they are very likely to start viewing the US when/if CCP starts marching towards Taiwan. Those two stat…

Thanks. That's a more reasonable statement but I still stand by my main points that 1. a much, much larger contingent would stay than Americans seem to think, 2. the US is far less desirable a location now than ever, and 3. those that do come to the US will not be going to our backwaters, hell the standard of life in Taipei is arguably higher than in top American cities.

I also think violent takeover is a remote hypothetical but that's another discussion.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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DocTomoe wrote: post #169
quartz wrote: post #66

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I feel like you've got that backwards: making the site available if it violates GDPR would be violating your rights. Making the site unavailable to you is respecting them. That's not to mention that what's much more likely here is that a student focused and student run campus newspaper in West Lafayette, IN likely just considers the EU out of scope of their audience vs the cost of figuring out if they're GDPR complia…

You should take the outside perspective into account: For me as an EU employer, this implies students from West Lafayette, Indiana, are unable to fulfils even the most basic of rules regarding privacy and are thus a liability. Doing this - even if the site itself is not directly associated with the student body - diminishes the perceived worth of the degree.

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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by iszomer »

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What a strange parallel to draw when it comes to the actions of the current Democrats and Republicans in our House and Senate along with the current presidency and adminstration.

It's pretty clear that in the context of the comment the usage of small-l liberal was referring to the classical ideal, not the homonym label misused in contemporary American politics.

I meant to mention that, thanks for clarifying.

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Post by bllguo »

BobbyJo wrote: post #768
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It's not glossing over, it's a rebuttal. > Western understanding of the rest of the world is severely lacking I would wager that Western countries, on average, have a better view of the world than non-Western countries, if for no other reason than the privileges their wealth and liberalism entail. Do you think the average Russian, African, South American, Chinese, (Yes, I'm aware some of that list is continents, and…

I find it frustrating that so much discussion about other countries is based on hearsay and offhand translation, especially in the case of China where it seems few Western commenters even understand the language, much less the culture.

Sure, if you are comparing populations as a whole, but if you are comparing the subsets of educated people from each country that are participating in the global discourse I strongly disagree. There's no point in comparing the average Russian or African or Chinese person. Are we ever interacting with them? Do they drive any policy?

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Post by thegrimmest »

Zigurd wrote: post #738
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I think it more depends on how you fall on the authoritarian/libertarian spectrum. As a libertarian myself, I certainly feel that my views are not welcome. I have often been accused of being a horrible person for holding a belief in what is essentially tolerance of intolerance, and voluntary cooperation.

I am estranged from libertarianism. Too many people self-assigning that label are against women's rights, voting rights, and are comfortable with the dictator in Russia. And this is before one gets to issues like Pareto optimal policies entrenching existing disadvantages.

Have you become attracted to authoritarianism then? I'd be very curious as to why. I'm very much pro women's and voting rights, and am under no illusion that Russia is somehow a liberal place.

If you're referring to abortion, I think the main disagreement between sensible people is the point at which a group of cells becomes a child, deserving of protection? And whose responsibility is that child? My answers are at conception, and whoever is currently in custody (the mother, before birth); simply because I don't see an alternative that isn't highly arbitrary or subjective.

In regard to voting rights, democracy is clearly better than the other things we've tried. I just don't think the people we elect should have quite so much power. Their remit should be limited to the administration of peace and order, not binding us all into one cooperative working towards a common goal. Society is about peaceful coexistence, not collectivizing the realities of misfortune or inadequacy.

Most basically, I think anyone who is drawn to the idea of forcing people to cooperate is taking a moral stance that I simply cannot follow. In the absence of an oracle to divine good from evil, I can't come up with a justification, save one, for using force to compel cooperation. Doing so is indistinguishable from a degree of slavery.

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Post by yololol »

gtirloni wrote: post #201

I worked with people from China at a previous job. They came to visit us (South America) and while having dinner I lightly suggested things in China are difficult when it comes to freedom, right? Their facial expression changed immediately. They said it was better not to talk about that. They were who knows how many kilometers from home, not a single Chinese national around to report them, and they still feared talki…

Not necessary. There's a chance that they support their government, and they didn't want to hear the usual western stuff about freedom and how bad their country is. I had many similar experiences as a student. Western students would start this discussion to Chinese students in anticipation of hearing how oppressed they feel. What they would often get is an irritated Chinese student who will tell them that it's hard to control 1.3 billion people and that their government has done a lot of them etc. And the western student's brains would hardwire unable to accept that answer and conclude "Clearly they're brainwashed" :D PS: I'm not taking sides here

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by jasonzemos »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #688
dehrmann wrote: post #656

Interesting side note: before becoming president of Purdue, Daniels was governor of Indiana. His successor in that job was Mike Pence. Daniels was also a rising star in the GOP, so he's a competent politician who got closer than most to actually dealing with international relations. He's also run Purdue differently than most administrators. He famously froze tuition, and he's using the name for an online school Purdu…

He froze (in state) tuition because the school is completely bankrolled by wealthy Chinese sending their kids to school. Every luxury car driving around town has a foreign student at the wheel.

Why are communist Chinese even admitted at all? Many Americans have tried and failed at admission and now have to settle for some lesser education or none at all. What are they teaching people who are forbidden to learn? Why should they tolerate people returning with systemic resentment? I see no return on this investment -- none at all.

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Post by imgabe »

chmod600 wrote: post #779
chernevik wrote: post #479

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Well said: "In my world there's always a place for you; you can disagree with me; you can even insult me; I will not fire back because that is your freedom of expression, however In your world there's no place for me; you want to eliminate me and even my family from the world just because I disagree with your government or your ideology; this is puzzling isn't it?"

Does that mean freedom is self-defeating? It comes down to a simple formula: are people learning and appreciating freedom faster than it's being diluted by people who are ignorant or disdainful of freedom? There's no fundamental reason one rate must remain above the other. Education, immigration trends, business, and culture all play a part. But once the anti-freedom are greater in number than the pro-freedom, then f…

Freedom is never absolute. You can respect other people's freedom to disagree with you, but not their freedom to kill you. You can choose to only stop them from the latter, but not the former.

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Post by will4274 »

ddoolin wrote: post #752
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The Chinese government has seeped its way into nearly every facet of American life. This is most visible in Disney movies (see: the Mulan and Lion King remakes) but it is happening to many companies and universities where they use our own greed against us. I hope America will wake up and realize we have fighting a hidden war, but we are so divided I doubt we'll notice until we've lost, if we notice at all.

On the surface, this seems like FUD or at least exaggerated. Anecdotally, Americans across the spectrum are at least weary of China if not openly hostile. China does have a lot of corporate influence at the upper levels and corporations do pull many of the levers of government here, but on an individual level, I don't think it's that's dramatic. Although this topic has been sensationalized a lot, personally I don't t…

Most Americans weren't openly hostile to China until Trump opened his mouth.
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