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Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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You keep repeating yourself and don't respond to what I'm saying (even though I do address your arguments). I didn't talk about whether I thought anti-vaxxers were brain washed, so it's a strawman. And I've already explained in detail what's the problem with bringing up individual examples especially from the far past where some scientists were right against the majority. So I see 0 point in you coming up with more a…

Do you think Google and Facebook are putting every item that they ban through some sort of a scientific review were they carefully weigh the pros and cons of all the data of every side of a debate? Like there's a bunch of older gentlemen with beards and pipes and philosophy phds sitting around a room discussing the cultural merits of the song wet ass pussy. My best guess at how the censorship process works is there's…

> Do you think Google and Facebook are putting every item that they ban through some sort of a scientific

> review were they carefully weigh the pros and cons of all the data of every side of a debate?

You're right, of course, they don't. OTOH, as I said earlier, there is very little scientific value (if any) in posting on social media, so this kind of censorship cannot hinder scientific advance/getting to know the reality better.

Also, they actually only seem to block pretty blatant cases (like if someone says that there is no pandemic or vaccines don't work) and most of the content is pretty primitive and low value anyway. I see a lot of this shit, either because the censorship is not too strict or because they put a lot less effort into the non-English corners of their networks. Actually, most things that FB marks with a warning that you should only trust official sources are scientifically correct posts (e.g. from research labs or experts posting valid research papers). And the stupidity, the "alternate view" seems to go undetected. I've reported quite a few blatantly stupid posts out of curiosity and none of them were taken down. Not even the "5G activates the vaccines" types.

> My best guess at how the censorship process works is there's a bunch of really low

> paid people that censor things based on a narrative page provided to them.

This seems pretty likely. That must be one of the reasons they don't act on most actual misinformation. Though they should be able to use technology, because a lot of the misinformation I see is either some post (or video) being shared a large number of times (they could give those special attention) or reposting of the same content (could be a video, but mostly copy&pasted text). Of course, there are stupid comments too, but those would be very hard to censor efficiently (without actually harming the discourse - even if not the scientific discourse).

There are also well known profiles that are dedicated to spreading misinformation that don't get censored at all. Again, here in Hungary there is a(n ex-)pharmacist who has been cranking out nonsense since the very beginning. He very likely is building his profile for the general elections next year (he did participate 4 and 8 years ago). But he might be simply just an idiot. He would be very easy to take down, given he's relatively high profile (as a denier by all means), FB could afford to have one of their more expensive collegaues to spend a few days on him. But they don't care. Actually, they are even motivated to keep him on the site because he generates a lot of interactions... So to me it seems that if anything, then we need more censorship, not less. (But it doesn't have to mean banning the discussion, even if they would just cut the obvious and blatant misinformation, that would help a lot.)

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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I have been absolutely delighted by Let's go Brandon, but annoyed that it's always Trump as the alternative. I agree with the person in this thread who said there is a lot more discontent outside of Trump’s contingency. I’ve been really shocked how powerful rampantly repressive neoliberal corporate takeover is if you just sprinkle a little identity politics on top. Seriously, the same people who were critiquing globalization, pharma and bad trade deals, and supporting free-speech are... where? These issues used to be firmly the territory of the left. What’s... left? Now anyone questioning power can’t even get an interview anywhere but Christian, libertarian and conservative media. my question to those who still think Trump is the great hope is: what on earth makes you think that man is going to do anything substantively different about those issues? I feel like it’s time to stop talking about the office of the presidency entirely.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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>>your best bet is to accept the scientific consensus you got it right.. it's a bet Science is not the ultimate source of truth, it is data with a risk reward attached that you can use for your own critical thinking I do agree with you though that it should be heavily weighted in your thinking. But people now are treating as an infallible religion that you can outsource your critical thinking to...which is scary imo.

> you got it right.. it's a bet Sure. As you don't have certainty but you have to make decisions. > Science is not the ultimate source of truth, Science is our current best approximation of reality. But yes, it's not ultimate and we indeed do know that it's inaccurate. But we don't know better. And that's also important to keep in mind. > it is data with a risk reward attached that you can use for your own critical t…

>>then your end results will just be worse by adding in your thinking

Tell that to the people who decided against getting a labotomy after labotomies won the Nobel prize. ;)

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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It sounds like we agree with each other. Science is imperfect and iterative. Yet with that knowledge you have come to the conclusion that the mRNA vaccine is perfectly safe after being developed in 6 months and tested in humans for only a year-ish? I follow your thesis but not your conclusion.

Oh, great. Yes, imperfect but improves iteratively. But I never said that the mRNA vaccine (or any vaccine, for that matter - we also have vector vaccines and even inactivated ones) is perfectly safe. Indeed, what I was saying is that it's illogical to expect it to be perfectly safe. That would only make sense if contracting COVID was (proven to be) perfectly harmless. But the thing is that you are forced to make a d…

>> However, the (imperfect) experts say that the vaccines are way safer than contracting covid unvaccinated.

False. SOME (imperfect) experts say this.

SOME experts say taking an unknown vaccine for a healthy person in an age group that is not at risk of Covid is creating an unnecessary (unknown) vaccine risk for themselves especially considering the vaccines are made by profit driven companies that haven't been particularly human welfare focused in the past.

>>They started experimenting with the coronavirus vaccines back in 2003

Thalidomide is based off of benzodiazepens which had been developed over a hundred years before Thalidomide was invented.

Still made unexpected flipper babies.

Have you even made a tiny tweak in a code base and the whole thing broke?

Now apply this to a biochemical system which is infinitely more complex.

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