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Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Fortunately, if you're feeling entrepreneurial, you can spin up an Agora* instance and start selling whatever you want for Lightning Payments. * https://github.com/agora-org/agora/

This is not accessible to 90% of SWers, and if it is, it will not earn them a living.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Well among other things: way to utterly and entirely ignore the LGBT creators on there who are making money but also creating erotic content for their communities.

It is a correct reading that my comment didn’t make assumptions about those creators or communities. That’s because it was about something else, that I think consuming this kind of porn is particularly bad because it is largely lonely low status men obsessing about and giving money to rich powerful women on OnlyFans. I find it interesting to point out there might be an unfavourable power dynamic here in the opposite…

> rich powerful women on OnlyFans

Are they powerful though? Or rich even? They might have momentary reach like some celebrities and influencers but does that extend to effecting consumer behavior and would advertisers work with them?

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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I can understand the business reasons for cleaning up the OnlyFans brand. But I can't, for the life of me, understand why they are killing a cash cow instead of spining it off into a side business. Clone the full experience on a dedicated site, OnlyFantasy.com, duplicate the whole userbase, and give a simple warning that I can find my favorite stars on another site. In time, the user bases will diverge naturally depe…

> Yes, the payment processors will bark at the porn site. Move to a more expensive processor for that site only, pay 5%, 10% fee, it doesn't really matter, it's free money. If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever ca…

Sounds like some (large & credible) international company with less puritanical execs than those in the USA need to start a new credit card company or payment service

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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It’s a recent push toward more mainstream performers. For example, there are pro surfers who are popular youtube vloggers (e.g. Nathan Florence) who recently started onlyfans channels. Nathan’s is a fitness training channel. It threw a lot of people off guard. And I strongly suspect that onlyfans paid him to start this channel. https://onlyfans.com/nathanflorence https://dailycaller.com/2021/06/17/onlyfans-pivot-porn…

This is pretty stupid though, to throw away the business you have for the business you might have, there is heaps of porn on Twitter, looking at it is optional. Why can't it just co-exist with other "acceptable" content ? I would imagine it's very trivial to have a "Show me explicit content" setting. Edit: Side note, I don’t know why porn is so shameful, especially concerning adults posting high quality content, it’s…

Plus it's behind a login.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

#815

Does anyone else here feel the Onlyfans phenomenon is just exploiting sad lonely men who’d be better off leaving the house, doing some exercise and trying to eat healthier and build their IRL social networks? This whole cam-girls making a fortune this way seems somehow more dishonest than normal porn to me, maybe because it’s about these guys (who can never have relationships with these women) building a personal and…

Society is incredibly gynocentric. Few journalists have any interest in how the dating apps exploit lonely men either (by upselling them boosts, superlikes, gold, platinum, and other memberships that the platforms know won't do much to help the average guy on there). Male mental health is ignored a lot and it's sad.

> Male mental health is ignored a lot and it's sad.

Until it's dangerous. Some intervention between sad and shooter would serve society well.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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This is going to be corporate suicide on a greater scale than Tumblr's policy. I say greater because OnlyFans is/was still on a massive upswing whereas Tumblr was 10 years past its peak already when the nails went in the coffin. Edit: I understand this is supposedly not their choice.

This is the least of their problems and I am amazed none of their executives is not yet in jail: "The children selling explicit videos on OnlyFans" https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57255983

How does section 230 not cover this? They're just a platform not a publisher right?

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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I honestly did not know they did anything besides porn. They have a really bad marketing department as I bet most people only know of them via porn (or I run in a slightly more degenerate circle).

Is it not a porn site? I thought it was a porn site.

When I first heard about it, people were comparing it to Patreon. Then it became porn because of some weird loophole in how credit card companies work. Credit cards and pornography is its whole massive side discussion.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

#818

Wow, you spend years thinking crypto is convoluted nonsense…and then something comes along that impacts a lot of your friends, and you start to change your mind. I have a fair number† of friends and acquaintances who have OnlyFans. Some for side income, some for a substantial portion of their livelihood. And to see that get taken away because the payment processors want them to fall in line…I guess I’m on the crypto…

I worked at a webcam pornography company (as a software engineer) a few years ago and honestly, I get it from the processors perspective. I wasn't privy to all the conversations, but I know at the time, some higher ups were toying around with the idea of basically building an entire in house payment processor to handle transactions. I think a lot of people think the processors are doing this out of some moral high gr…

I have seen several times stories on HN about the problems porn sites has with processors, but I never heard that gambling sites had the same issues. It would be interesting to hear more about that.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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> Yes, the payment processors will bark at the porn site. Move to a more expensive processor for that site only, pay 5%, 10% fee, it doesn't really matter, it's free money. If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever ca…

PH is having problems due to so much "user uploaded" content that they can not verify the identity of the actors contained within. The difference now is that Mastercard is enforcing the rules rather than the US Government which had USC2257 in place for many years with the same requirements. The difference this time is that MC is global(and controls these sites income) and USGov is not, so MC is actually able to enfor…

It’s my understanding that PornHub have purged out non-verified content to fully comply with things such as USC2257 and gone further than the letter of the law in a desire to clean up their image and yet MasterCard, Visa and Discover still refuse them.

This is not as simple as “follow the law”. OnlyFans already appears to require sufficient identification that at least for account owners they pass the USC2257 bar, so content featuring just the account holder should completely pass legal scrutiny in the USA.

Yet they still have this pressure from MasterCard and the discussion isn’t about type of adult content (performers other than the account holder) it’s about all adult content. This is someone who saw the successful pressure tactics work on PornHub and wants to go further.

It’s also important to remember that MasterCard and Visa don’t directly offer services to anyone but banks/payment processors, so while there are “high risk” payment processors such as CCBill, etc, MasterCard as network operators are saying “for these specific people… no”.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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I find it utterly fascinating that Reddit is able to maintain such a huge porn collection with relatively little attention. I wish I knew what percentage of submissions were in NSFW subreddits, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were the majority. Maybe it's because they're not trying to make money off of it? I don't think they run ads on NSFW subreddits. I wonder if there's a market for something like how strip clubs…

> I find it utterly fascinating that Reddit is able to maintain such a huge porn collection with relatively little attention. I suspect they're working in the same direction, no? For example a few months back they removed NSFW from /r/all. They didn't just make it user-config'd SFW by default, to my knowledge you cannot browse NSFW content on /r/all. So they sort of ghosted that entire genre on their site. Maybe they…

I would love to see reddits real internal financial reports. I'm wonder if they've ever actually turned a profit...
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