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Bitcoin Is Time

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Re: Bitcoin Is Time

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ever wond2red why?

Everyone here knew about it when you could mine a few bitcoins per hour on a midrange laptop CPU, but we all thought it was a stupid idea. Here we are, a decade later, still sure it's a stupid idea and increasingly frustrated that the public doesn't understand that.

also don’t forget we all sold at $10-$100

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

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Let me fix that title. Happy to be downvoted into negative territory. I only have 11 points. Go ahead. "Bitcoin Is A Waste of Time (and Resources)" What Bitcoin has done is that it taught people they can come together in a sustained flash mob (like an on-the-fly hedge fund operation) and manipulate the price of speculative assets by creating artificial short-term pump-n-dump type demand. Bitcoin has trained our colle…

yes, bitcoin was specifically invented to co-opt our consciousness to self-propagate. it is successful in this. some people recognized that capability 10 years ago, some people recognize it today.

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Fiat is not powered by "proof of violence" because violence is not needed for it to function. It is maintained by social contract and the threat of violence, because otherwise it could only depend on trust, and trust is very expensive, as Bitcoin proves.

You need to have an army and weapons to enforce that threat, which costs a lot of energy to maintain.

Yes, fair point.

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

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Let me fix that title. Happy to be downvoted into negative territory. I only have 11 points. Go ahead. "Bitcoin Is A Waste of Time (and Resources)" What Bitcoin has done is that it taught people they can come together in a sustained flash mob (like an on-the-fly hedge fund operation) and manipulate the price of speculative assets by creating artificial short-term pump-n-dump type demand. Bitcoin has trained our colle…

Well what you say has some merit, but... Goldrush FOMO is a very powerful force. Not saying this applies to you, but I think some people can’t stand the cognitive dissonance of being a hacker and not getting into bitcoin, missing out on life-changing money. To deal with it, they need to vilify bitcoin often on quasi-moral grounds.

It seems to be the other way round to me. Certain Bitcoin fans can't stand that other "hackers" don't buy into the Bitcoin story as religiously as they do.

As the other comment pointed out, for FOMO to be this "powerful force" everyone would be constantly enraged they didn't buy Tesla shares 10 years ago, or save that collection toys from their childhood that suddenly became valuable, or any number of other things.

FOMO is only a problem if you struggle with envy.

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

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This article was a good dive into the technical feats of bitcoin. But this fact still stands:

== Traditional currency ==

- needs central authority

+ energy efficient

== Bitcoin ==

+ doesn't need central authority

- energy intensive

If there already is a central authority you can trust, it doesn't make sense to go through the song and dance of having a trustless currency system designed to work under adversarial conditions. Bitcoin isn't on the cusp of taking over the world, it fulfills a specific niche.

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Yes, which is why I didn't say anything about horses. Opposition to cars, like opposition to bitcoin, isn't rustic ludditism. There are modern solutions to transportation that are superior to cars, like rail, frequent busses, and bike infrastructure, but lose out in funding and hype because they're not prestigious and utopian like cars are. Likewise, Bitcoin does not solve any problem that any other transaction netwo…

> There are modern solutions to transportation that are superior to cars, like rail, frequent busses, and bike infrastructure, Bicycles are nice but have lower capacity for cargo and passengers; mass transit is less flexible. So they aren’t strictly superior. > Bitcoin does not solve any problem that any other transaction network technology can't solve, How else do you propose to have a distributed ledger that is res…

There are cargo bikes (https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2019/12/03/breaking-city-to-anno...)

A single car lane can move 600-1600 people per hour while a two way bike lane of the same size can transport 7500 people per hour (https://nyc25x25.org/#report)

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

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One of the motivating factors behind late 19th century horseless carriages was the reduction in pollution. It isn't at all accurate to say that horses don't pollute. In some respects their pollution is worse.

Sir, are you telling us that instead of dealing with that small problem of pollution ( https://www.workinghorsetack.com/catch-it-manure-bag-horse-d... ), we created a whole new system for transport that requires you to build infrastructure from the ground up just to use them? I wonder why.

You think its a small problem? Imagine as many horses as cars in a dense urban environment, each one using those bags. Now how do you get all those bags out without garbage trucks? It isn't as easy a problem as our modern minds might imagine.

Of course, cars as the savior is also an oversimplified narrative, but it was a fun one.

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

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Let me fix that title. Happy to be downvoted into negative territory. I only have 11 points. Go ahead. "Bitcoin Is A Waste of Time (and Resources)" What Bitcoin has done is that it taught people they can come together in a sustained flash mob (like an on-the-fly hedge fund operation) and manipulate the price of speculative assets by creating artificial short-term pump-n-dump type demand. Bitcoin has trained our colle…

The Wolf of Wall St would agree with you. Although I agree with the the following article, I have taken a small position and bought the hype. My intention is to exit long before the jig is up.

https://wolfstreet.com/2021/02/28/the-big-buy-hype-bitcoin-c...

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

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> Why are we still talking about bitcoin and first gen blockchain tech. Because it doesn't seem to be going away faster than the newer generations. There is a real chance that if cryptocurrency ends up being a thing forever that BTC is the winner. And that is an environmental disaster until we get to 100% clean energy worldwide.

Even then. This stuff produces heat. The way the scaling operates, as it goes along, even if you had FREE energy piped from a hyperspatial link in the heart of the Sun… eventually the ASIC farms themselves will begin to cook the planet. It doesn't stay alive and profitable unless it keeps burning energy MORE. The fact that the energy's going to come from the dirtiest and most dangerous (cheapest) possible fuels, is c…

The energy usage of Bitcoin is proportional to the price, it doesn't grow without bound as you seem to be saying here. Miners compete for a fixed reward, it doesn't make sense for new miners to enter the system if the rewards already are distributed to the point that they just cover the costs.

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

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For most other topics, I'd probably agree. In the case of crypto currencies it's important to point out that you'd rather hear compelling counterarguments rather than the all too frequent "You're right but I wish you weren't" downvotes.

wow, can you teach me how to read minds?

I'm trying to right now. If you're not receiving, I'm afraid you're incompatible.
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