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Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by edmundsauto »

Shivetya wrote: post #544
knorker wrote: post #481

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> The implied reverse therefore would be that it's easier for people on the right to see bias in the media. Yeah, that's also what I read. And as evidence to the contrary I pointed out that some people had their world view changed so much that they tried to overthrow the government. Which tells me that they didn't see the agenda they were being pushed. Which contradicts the comment's point. Note that in no way do I d…

Nah, those people just needed an excuse, they were already past the tipping point. They exist on both sides and one side got called out for attacking the capitol while the other is "mostly peaceful protests" because they are only destroying police and private property. As in, both sides are equally bad for similar but different reasons but we only hear about a singular event that some whack jobs on the far right pull…

Maybe I'm just a blind leftie, but I think one side got called out for attacking the capital because that's what they did. And the other side had thousands of protests, 90+% of which were completely peaceful. Granted, it's a small sample size of on the insurrection side, but 100% violent, versus < 10% violent.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by edmundsauto »

chmod600 wrote: post #787
Fuzzwah wrote: post #516

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I'm an outsider to US politics (in that I'm Australian), but I'm really interested to know what widely held "left" views you think are "incorrect"? The topics I understand as being pushed by the left in the US just seem so centerist to me, based on the political landscape that I'm living in. Single payer health care, minimum wage increases, increases in social support nets... So many topics I'd love to hear the argum…

The US has four states with population comparable to Australia. It would be perfectly centrist for a couple states to enact the policies you mention, assuming they can work out the details and balance the books. When these policies turn into wild success stories, other states might follow. It probably makes sense to start with some small-medium sized, well-governed blue states first, like when MA implemented Romneyca…

Couldn't this argument be made for the Border Patrol, or the war in Iraq? There are lots of things my tax dollars pay for that I find morally repugnant.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by edmundsauto »

chmod600 wrote: post #778
jancsika wrote: post #694

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> But the NYT has drifted too far down the path of politically-correct fashions, and away from robust debate and discussion of challenging topics and how they intersect with real events. > I should reiterate that this is not a right-left thing. This very likely is a right-left thing: * The NYT systematically avoided the term "torture" in everything except op-eds when describing the Bush admin's post-911 torture progr…

You misunderstood my point. Bias exists and I have accepted that, and I won't unsubscribe from good reporting because of bias. Giving into left-leaning fashions is bad not because of the "left-leaning" part; its bad because of the "fashions" part. It's lazy groupthink at best, and bullying people into conformity at worst. Have you noticed how narrow and specific all of the rules for reporting have become? Do you hone…

Stepping outside this particular argument for a second, do you think it's possible to know the beliefs and motivations of "most people"? I don't. (Personally, I don't think very many people understand their own beliefs, much less that of others.)

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by 3np »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #765
3np wrote: post #324

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I argue they are discriminating, even if it is indeed regulatory issues at play there. I'm not going to fraudulently open an account misstating my residence, that's breaking their ToS - you do promise thet you're a US resident when signing up. Of course it's their choice who they want to take on as customers. They've been providing the service for ~6 years though, which is really not that new in context.

Oh apologies good citizen for suggesting you do something against the rules! Is my local ice cream shop DISCRIMINATING by not serving ice cream in Norway and Osaka Japan? No, they're not discriminating. They just don't have the resources to serve those locations. I'm enjoying the hell out of Privacy.com. I'll think of you next time I use it!

You can spare the sarcasm - I'm sure your local ice cream shop is great but it does little for people across the globe looking for ice cream.

Great that it works for you, but they won't take most people on the earth as a customer, including me. Even if I would be OK with illegally breaking their terms, my account would be subject to block and ban at any moment.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by chmod600 »

edmundsauto wrote: post #812
chmod600 wrote: post #787

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The US has four states with population comparable to Australia. It would be perfectly centrist for a couple states to enact the policies you mention, assuming they can work out the details and balance the books. When these policies turn into wild success stories, other states might follow. It probably makes sense to start with some small-medium sized, well-governed blue states first, like when MA implemented Romneyca…

Couldn't this argument be made for the Border Patrol, or the war in Iraq? There are lots of things my tax dollars pay for that I find morally repugnant.

It's a matter of degree and alternatives. Borders and wars are clearly the domain of the federal government as described by the Constitution. If you don't like it, your only real option is to elect better people. Yeah, it sucks when our leaders invade Iraq for no reason, and then we elect one of few diseenting voices to be our next president and then he... invades Libya. So I realize my words are cold comfort, but there's no much else I can say.

But abortion funding is not the domain of the federal government and there is not much reason for it to be. There are plenty of private citizens who are pro choice and could fund abortion subsidies. It would probably be easier to do that than fight a political battle over it, which also costs money.

A government should govern the people that are actually here, not who you wish were here. Maybe in some places nobody minds abortion, but the US is not one of those places. So, we've got to respect those tens of millions of people at least enough to not spend their money on abortion.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by chmod600 »

edmundsauto wrote: post #813
chmod600 wrote: post #778

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You misunderstood my point. Bias exists and I have accepted that, and I won't unsubscribe from good reporting because of bias. Giving into left-leaning fashions is bad not because of the "left-leaning" part; its bad because of the "fashions" part. It's lazy groupthink at best, and bullying people into conformity at worst. Have you noticed how narrow and specific all of the rules for reporting have become? Do you hone…

Stepping outside this particular argument for a second, do you think it's possible to know the beliefs and motivations of "most people"? I don't. (Personally, I don't think very many people understand their own beliefs, much less that of others.)

I don't expect that I understand someone else's beliefs at a particular point in time. But I find it implausible that anyone changes their actual beliefs fast enough to keep up with these political fashions. So that's why I don't think most left-leaning people believe in these fashions.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by dorfsmay »

7thaccount wrote: post #635
dorfsmay wrote: post #602

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Yes, it is really bad. I cancelled my Netflix subscriptions for a few months, then tried to renew and cannot because of a bug in their Credit Card process. I have phoned and tweeted and online chatted etc... Their only solutions is for me to buy gift cards, which I won't. In the meantime, they keep sending me emails every week to beg me to try Netflix again. So Netflix spends money to promote to me, and to answer my…

Sounds like a really interesting blog post that could also get their attention.

I'm not sure a blog would change anything.

How much more could I do (note that Netflix CS replies to the other person's reply in that thread): https://twitter.com/dorfsmay/status/1315402870661902336

Clearly, Tech (at least for payment processing), Marketing and Customer Services don't talk to each other.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by ganafagol »

croes wrote: post #359
ganafagol wrote: post #357

I expected to read details of some legal battle over months. But this is a transcript of a chat for about 15 minutes. Srsly? That's what outrages you? Having to wait for a few minutes to cancel a newspaper subscription? How many times a day do you do this kind of thing?

It's not about the time but about the way. You can sign up with a few clicks but to cancel you need to talk to human being.

Funny, when the rant is about issues with Google support then the critisism tends to focus around it being really hard to actually be able to talk to a human being.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by dahart »

goatinaboat wrote: post #793
dahart wrote: post #738

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> I also think they are breaking GDPR by keeping the account for 10 months after cancellation. Do you live in the US? GDPR does not apply to US companies serving US citizens. If you live in the EU, you might need to request account deletion, I think GDPR doesn't require that data is deleted, it gives Europeans the right to have their data deleted upon request. (I've read the entire code before but I don't remember th…

If you live in the EU, you might need to request account deletion, I think GDPR doesn't require that data is deleted GDPR also requires you to be able to cancel by the same way you signed up, so any company that doesn’t let you cancel online is in flagrant violation.

I assume you're referring to the NYT there, not Netflix? (It doesn't matter that much, because the situation is similar either way.)

NYT is a US company serving a US locale by it's very name. GDPR doesn't even automatically apply to European NYT subscribers, unless the NYT advertises directly to Europeans, or does EU business with EU offices*. The GDPR law is clear about this point, it is a protection for EU citizens regarding web sites and businesses that are focused on, directed and targeted toward EU citizens. It does not apply to interactions outside of the EU (aside from EU travelers visiting EU web sites), and it does not apply to web sites that originate outside the EU and are global that just happen to have visitors from the EU.

* The NYT might be advertising in the EU, I don't know. If it does, I'd be willing to bet that EU citizens are given an online mechanism to cancel, even though US citizens aren't...

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