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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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So long as we're talking about white supremacists and hacking, I remember when a "white supremacist" hacker weev was convicted and sentenced to 41 months in federal prison for reading a few thousand sequential ids from an AT&T webpage. He reported the vulnerability to AT&T and showed a limited example to a journalist.

This seems far worse - so of course we can expect criminal prosecution of these "researchers"?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Hey, spoiler alert for people regarding that link -- there's some very strong, graphically violent language. Don't click if you're not in a good head space at the moment.

i think its good to see it so people understand that there are literally millions of other americans that actively want them dead

I didn't say it shouldn't be posted; just a warning to be prepared for what you're going to see.

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I think the difference is that r/politics doesnt actually ban you for posting something conservative, its just the users deciding they dont like it. I dont use it either way due to their horrible link rules, but there is definitely a difference in my opinion.

You're silenced by moderators or you're silenced by users. I don't see much difference in the end.

Then you are lost.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Defamation is not free speech, it's illegal.

So it's just there to cover bases then? It's basically impossible to win a defamation case when the subject is a public person no?

A public person needs to prove it was malicious and caused damages, but the rule is likely to prevent harassment of private people on the platform.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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I get that it is a kind of contradiction to claim being about free-speech, but to see their point, when free=speech and they as the primary advocates for free-speech are under clear and direct and persistent and unrelenting assault of their speech and thought, I can see how they would take on practical positions to protect their community from infiltrators and subversives as they are struggling to survive under relen…

> protect their community from infiltrators and subversives They see anybody who doesn't toe the Trump line as a brigader from r/politics. Everything is a conspiracy. But there are a number of very moderate conservatives that (for whatever reason) continue to call r/conservative their home, and they respond positively when something sane gets posted. I've had a couple great conversations over there with those folks.…

I find it hard to ridicule conservatives for the members that do them significant disservice through all the rather unhealthy obsessive conspiracy stuff because no conspiracy nonsense has been likely more amplified over about 4 years total at a nonstop pace, day in and day out by the propaganda organs of state than the Russian collusion conspiracy used to try to cap Trump at his knees.

But let's also not forget that the government clearly does engage in rather evil conspiracies … Iraq WMD, anyone? And there are hundreds more proven conspiracies.

What we are ally seeing here is the onset of a dissolution and dissolving of our social and national cohesion. It was a clear and provable risk from immigration and diversity as shown for decades in research after research from evidence all over the globe and history, but her we are. Social cohesion has been replaced by not only disintegration, but also by a destruction of the methods and ideals that unified the USA before. All that I have read and studied on the topic over years, essentially condemns the USA to breaking up absent of increasing levels of control and repression and imposition of a fake kind of unification around hollow ideals and values not shared among the actual people and cultures that now inhabit the the territory of the former USA (a bit of foreshadowing there).

I would love to hear theories on how you keep what are essentially distinct colonies of foreign nationals (by ethnicity) across the country in a cohesive jurisdiction like the USA, especially when you have an increasingly and justifiably angered native population that is noticing that the promise of utopia through immigration was a con job to disenfranchise them of what all people of the world would perceive as their birth right, the right to keep what those before us created for those after them. I just don't see it happening without extreme repression, which of course will see escalating reaction that will either end in victory or vanquish, for one side or another.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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I don't care if my personal information was leaked. I followed discussions, posted a comment or two like, "What evidence do you have for that?" There seemed to be tons of other accounts that did the same, along with accounts by obvious Lefts who were there to troll. I highly doubt there will be blowback for the kind of participation I did. I am absolutely a privacy advocate. However, in the case where the continued e…

I don't understand your claim that terrorists are a threat to our democracy. As long as most of the people in the country believe in democracy, the country will continue to have democracy. The real threat to democracy is allowing leaders to stop following the democratic process. For example, on 02021-01-06, 147 congresspeople voted to throw out the votes from an entire state, even after their party had pursued the ap…

>>147 congresspeople voted to throw out the votes from an entire state, even after their party had pursued the appropriate legal remedies

Hey wait, they had the opportunity to vote their conscience on it? Does that mean they were Constitutionally empowered to raise and decide the question?

The USA is a republic, and explicitly not a democracy, said status having been debated early on and pure democracy was found seriously wanting in the qualities needed for a just and lasting society of free people.

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Have you ever been to /r/politics? It's a groupthink circle jerk. The difference, of course, is that /r/conservative is explicitly defined as a conservative community while /r/politics implies they are some sort of neutral community which they most certainly are not. At any rate, finding a diverse community of ideological people coming together to discuss politics with intellectual fervor is rather difficult these da…

I think you're missing the point. /r/conservative censoring views or users is just fine. They can define the norms of their own community and enforce them. Just don't hypocritically declare that other people can't also do the same. That's the point here. The hypocrisy.

If you read messages from the moderators, its normally not about censoring, it's more about keeping up with moderating content. That sub is heavily brigaded (I saw some based that was at 17% upvote). And any sub that has toxic comments on it will be removed by the admins. Going flare only makes their job way easier.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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> protect their community from infiltrators and subversives They see anybody who doesn't toe the Trump line as a brigader from r/politics. Everything is a conspiracy. But there are a number of very moderate conservatives that (for whatever reason) continue to call r/conservative their home, and they respond positively when something sane gets posted. I've had a couple great conversations over there with those folks.…

I find it hard to ridicule conservatives for the members that do them significant disservice through all the rather unhealthy obsessive conspiracy stuff because no conspiracy nonsense has been likely more amplified over about 4 years total at a nonstop pace, day in and day out by the propaganda organs of state than the Russian collusion conspiracy used to try to cap Trump at his knees. But let's also not forget that…

I feel bad for normal conservatives. They clearly exist, but they're getting quiet because the brand is severely tarnished right now. Then the only people talking are the Trump supporters, and the loop is reinforced.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

#819

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

It’s not that what you said is untrue, but those posts are just screenshots of moderation and reward tools, not necessarily ideological conformity tools. It reminds me of quora [1] and some other sites that used to pay too posters as a way of driving site-wide engagement (sort of a way to buy users to get network effects going, like Uber eats offering free deliveries during Covid to get more users) [1] https://news.y…

> It’s not that what you said is untrue, but those posts are just screenshots of moderation and reward tools, not necessarily ideological conformity tools.

What do ideological conformity tools look like to you?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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FWIW I've found that true on the left as well

Can you name any left-leaning communities that promote "unmoderated" free-speech? As someone who's in many left-leaning communities, this would be news to me and I'm genuinely curious to how it works.

You cannot have both an open community on the internet and unmoderated content. The right says they do this, but it is a lie. Even cesspools like the chans have heavy moderation to keep them from turning into a porn distribution form.
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