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Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon Valley ‘Echo Chamber’

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Re: Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon Valley ‘Echo Chamber’

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Post by scarface74 »

leereeves wrote: post #808
scarface74 wrote: post #807

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So why would Democrats switch parties if they didn’t think the other party was in line with their beliefs. Whike Zell Miller was purportedly a Democrat, he actively campaigned for Republican Presidential candidates. But are you really going to defend the Party of Trump as being inclusive? Are you really claiming that the Southern Strategy didn’t exist despite the words of Lee Atwater?

Rather than ask me to explain why three people switched parties, you should explain why so many Southern segregationists (all but 3) didn't switch parties if the Democrats were suddenly the party of civil rights. And the claim that interview with Lee Atwater is talking about Republican strategy makes no sense. It starts with "in 1954 you start out saying n....r, n....r, n....r." But in 1954 the South was solidly Demo…

He was talking about how you had to change your approach to appeal to racists over the years. In 1954, you could appeal to racists more overtly in the south to win them over. But over the years you had to be more careful.

But, parties change and they try to appeal to enough different coalitions to get elected. The Republican Party use to be about free trade, "pulling yourself up by the bootstraps and not blaming others for your plight in life" and at least give lip service to caring about the deficit. Now they are completely the opposite.

Re: Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon Valley ‘Echo Chamber’

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Post by leereeves »

scarface74 wrote: post #811
leereeves wrote: post #808

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rather than ask me to explain why three people switched parties, you should explain why so many Southern segregationists (all but 3) didn't switch parties if the Democrats were suddenly the party of civil rights. And the claim that interview with Lee Atwater is talking about Republican strategy makes no sense. It starts with "in 1954 you start out saying n....r, n....r, n....r." But in 1954 the South was solidly Demo…

He was talking about how you had to change your approach to appeal to racists over the years. In 1954, you could appeal to racists more overtly in the south to win them over. But over the years you had to be more careful. But, parties change and they try to appeal to enough different coalitions to get elected. The Republican Party use to be about free trade, "pulling yourself up by the bootstraps and not blaming othe…

I don't like debating out of context quotes, but I suspect he was describing Strom Thurmond's campaign strategy. He worked for Strom Thurmond and that would fit in 1954 as well. But one politician's strategy is a far cry from a general Republican southern strategy.

I certainly agree that parties' political positions change. That doesn't mean any particular claim of change is true.

Re: Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon Valley ‘Echo Chamber’

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Post by Fins »

BenSahar wrote: post #804
Fins wrote: post #604

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You don't need two to break store windows. And as silly and ignorant as Coulter is, at the moment when one starts saying that she does not have a right to speak here, one signs off on his moral and intellectual bankruptcy.

We must be referring to different riots. I was referring to the one where morons from both sides decided to show up with weapons and assault each other.

Possible. When Berkeley invited Milo to speak, antifa showed up first and broke quite a few windows, same way antiglobalists reliably start riots anywhere G-7 meets. [0]

After that alt-right brought in their own thugs as well, which might be the ones you're referrring to.

In the antifa vs. alt-right contest both sides get a dishonourable second place.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Berkeley_protests

Re: Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon Valley ‘Echo Chamber’

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Post by sjg007 »

scarface74 wrote: post #728
sjg007 wrote: post #723

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There is a third option which is that you could also not vote.

And by not voting, you don’t get to have your highest priorities addressed. If my highest priority were banning abortion, I would have definitely voted for Trump because he would appoint anti-abortion justices. If my highest priority was criminal justice reform - I would vote for Clinton. Yes, I know she and her husband were part of the problem in the 90s.

Your argument makes no sense and is predicated upon an unknown future. Logically, you support who you vote for.

Every politician breaks campaign promises and Trump is no exception. Now if you donate or otherwise contribute a lot of money to a candidate then they will support you. That much is clear and it does not take a lot of money. The only reason we don't have gun control is because the gun lobby has enough votes in Congress.

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Post by throwitawaypls »

psyc wrote: post #347
wz1000 wrote: post #99

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> The takeover by the proscriptive far-left Americans have a very weird conception of what "far-left" means. Liberal feel good minority appeasement by billion dollar multinational corporations is as far from "far-left" as you can get.

It's very difficult to choose a single term to describe the cultural cluster that sho is referring to, that would not result in quibbling over the term, or whether it's a thing. I know which cultural cluster he's talking about. Closely related or alternate terms include social justice warrior , authoritarian left , regressive left , cultural marxist , identity politics , oppression stack , 3rd wave feminist , virtue-…

Progressive? That’s what they call themselves, mostly.

Re: Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon Valley ‘Echo Chamber’

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Post by throwitawaypls »

rayiner wrote: post #456
friedman23 wrote: post #158

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> I have no idea what SF is like, so in these discussions I never can tell if there really is an influx of insane, insufferable far left crazies I'm not a Trump supporter by any means but I remember clearly the morning after the election and seeing people walking through the street in SF on their way to work in tears. If that doesn't point to a presence of insane, insufferable far left (or at least leftist) crazies I…

I saw lots of people with tears here in D.C. after Trump got elected. Many were to the right of me, including my George W. Bush-voting Republican wife. It's not leftism so much as people who are committed to political orthodoxy versus people who don't care about it. Trump eschewed political orthodoxy, and still got elected, and that was very scary for a lot of people. (In contrast, I lean left, but come from a countr…

The GOP hq in my town got bombed during the election, fwiw.

Re: Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon Valley ‘Echo Chamber’

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Post by psyc »

throwitawaypls wrote: post #815
psyc wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very difficult to choose a single term to describe the cultural cluster that sho is referring to, that would not result in quibbling over the term, or whether it's a thing. I know which cultural cluster he's talking about. Closely related or alternate terms include social justice warrior , authoritarian left , regressive left , cultural marxist , identity politics , oppression stack , 3rd wave feminist , virtue-…

Progressive? That’s what they call themselves, mostly.

I’m sure they do, but to me that term is much broader than the subculture I’m trying to describe.

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Post by makewavesnotwar »

ignoramceisblis wrote: post #218
makewavesnotwar wrote: post #9

Likening people to Thiel is ridiculous. He is personally facing the backlash from openly supporting Trump and being a speaker at his rallies. Nobody else in the valley did anything as absurd or unnecessary. And if he thinks he'll fair better in LA, I think he's sorely mistaken once people start recognizing him en masse. But to my point, this article seems to be generalizing an outlier to make its point. Everyone is b…

> Everyone is being alienated everywhere because the country has a leader who is actively polarizing the populous No. That is the fault of mass media corporations (and now, also thinly-veiled "grassroots" organizations). It's quite simple to pick and choose quotes from individuals that can be construed as offensive ("superpredators", anyone? The list goes on), craft a narrative, and put them on the national stage. Th…

No. Trump is creating and repeating his own rhetoric. The mass media corporations aren't making him tweet constantly about the "Dems". Your statements about the media aren't wrong but that doesn't mean that Trump isn't also to blame. He's literally picking fights at every opportunity he gets.

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Post by makewavesnotwar »

superquest wrote: post #11
makewavesnotwar wrote: post #9

Likening people to Thiel is ridiculous. He is personally facing the backlash from openly supporting Trump and being a speaker at his rallies. Nobody else in the valley did anything as absurd or unnecessary. And if he thinks he'll fair better in LA, I think he's sorely mistaken once people start recognizing him en masse. But to my point, this article seems to be generalizing an outlier to make its point. Everyone is b…

"openly supporting" the winning presidential candidate isn't "absurd".

Sure it is in the way Thiel did it. It was absurd for him to go on national television to make statements with 0 impact. Trump didn't win most places in the country Thiel might want to live. Trump lost on the entire west coast, Colorado and NY. He alienated himself and for what? He couldn't even help Trump win CA.

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Post by ggg9990 »

sjg007 wrote: post #723
scarface74 wrote: post #717

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You really only have two choices. There are a lot of things that I didn’t like about the Democratic platform and especially Clinton, but I held my nose and voted for her. It just depends on what your biggest issues are.

There is a third option which is that you could also not vote.

That just effectively hands your vote to some other idiot.
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