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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by rootlocus » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 4:19 PM UTC

return0 wrote: post #673

rootlocus wrote: post #576

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> Thankfully, freedom of speech is such an integral part of the US, that there is not one side trying to control what the other can say, and the other doing the same back. Sure, you and Donald Trump can say whatever you please. Nobody's restricting your freedom of speech. However, what you say betrays who you are. And what Trump said showed he's a liar, misogynist, tech illiterate, arrogant and overall a disgusting h…

> he's a liar, No doubt. ALL politicians are to some extent. > misogynist, because? Misogyny is literally HATRED of women, like, treating them really harsh. I dont think the democrats were convincing at that > tech illiterate, He seems to be handling twitter quite great > arrogant No doubt about that but sociopathy is a frequent characteristic of leaders > and overall a disgusting human being Disgust is visceral aver…

> Misogyny is literally HATRED of women

No, it's not. I won't quote dictionaries, you can look it up on wikipedia. You can also find compilations of all the offensive remarks he made regarding women.

> ALL politicians are to some extent.

True. Indeed, we're all liars. However, Trump seems to disregard the truth when it stands right next to him. Even in the face of irrefutable proof he doesn't back down. That's worse than lying.

> He seems to be handling twitter quite great

I wouldn't call handling twitter tech literacy, but he's taking an aggressive stance against Apple's privacy policy for example.

> Disgust is visceral aversion, and can be very personal. Not an argument

I kindly disagree. At some point so much garbage is piled up you can't help but sum it up in a very personal way: disgusting. Also, as a human being I can't help but have feelings. And I would argue they're a rational response to everything I witnessed this election.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by RIMR » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 4:20 PM UTC

BurningFrog wrote: post #669

Relevant column: "I don't see a moral obligation for anyone to serve in a Trump administration. But people who opposed Donald Trump, on both the left and right, should commit right now to one thing: We will not tar good people for joining the Trump administration. Their motives will not be questioned, and if things do turn out as some of his critics fear, the people in his foreign and domestic policy apparatus will n…

He gave over $1M to Trump's campaign. If anything, he just paid his way into being a presidential advisor.

Sure, I may not know his exact motives for supporting Trump's campaign, or his motives for joining his administration, but if something stinks I'm not going to ignore it.

I'm done giving politicians the benefit of a doubt, because they always just disappoint me in the end.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by filoeleven » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 4:20 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #216

Rapzid wrote: post #178

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If we believe all the recently headlines about who he's bringing in it appears pure "pay to play". Lots of individuals who Trump "owes" through either money or support they provided to him; pure cronyism. I'm not sure Trump realizes what worked best in business, or what he felt worked best for him in what business he has done, is not necessarily best for operating policy. I'm not sure he cares. I suspect he might tho…

Trump I suspect will be very similar to George W Bush. From all accounts he simply doesn't have the intellectual stamina to handle the rigours of the job. And I don't mean that in a negative way he is just more of a hands on, energetic, get shit done sort of guy. So in order to survive he is going to delegate to people like Guilani, Christie, Gingrich, Carson etc. Some of the most shameless, self serving and unethica…

Counterpoint to Bush's implied lack of intellect:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/04/25/george_...

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by mch82 » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 4:21 PM UTC

tdkl wrote: post #585

masondixon wrote: post #582

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After losing control of the entire government, there is still this sense of: "I don't need to engage in debate with you". Its just not rationale.

People should ask themselves deeply why this happened and start researching. Because that would be a rational response, not "protesting" with destroying property.

100% agree with this. Specifically, I'm trying to do three things right now...

1. Investigate "why"

2. Avoid partisan statements

3. Ask myself, if it were Obama instead of Trump would I feel the same way. And if the answer is no, I keep searching for the right message.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by glenda » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 4:21 PM UTC

DLA wrote: post #804

This thread is sad. We are ALL Americans. President-elect Trump is OUR president. You know how we can make this next four years a success for all of us, realize the Constitution sets out a process for how we elect our leaders. Go read it. No really, now many of the people burning flags, talking about "end of days" BS, and other nonsense have ever read the Constitution? Let alone swore an oath to defend it? Yeah. As I…

That is one way of looking at it. But the hate is already being spread and has been spread by our new president's campaign. For non-white people his election is a direct threat against their well-being.

If the anti-trump protesters are being sore losers then the KKK are being sore winners.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by _pmf_ » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 4:22 PM UTC

BurningFrog wrote: post #669

Relevant column: "I don't see a moral obligation for anyone to serve in a Trump administration. But people who opposed Donald Trump, on both the left and right, should commit right now to one thing: We will not tar good people for joining the Trump administration. Their motives will not be questioned, and if things do turn out as some of his critics fear, the people in his foreign and domestic policy apparatus will n…

> "[...] But people who opposed Donald Trump, on both the left and right, should commit right now to one thing: We will not tar good people for joining the Trump administration."

I'm not one to demonize Trump, but I don't see why someone who does demonizes Trump should not extend this to his administrative team, especially since on a lot of topics, Trump is more liberal that a proper GOPer.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by Chris2048 » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 4:23 PM UTC

rootlocus wrote: post #788

asdfasdfa11112 wrote: post #781

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I also think the shouting of "liar, misogynist, ..." -- that type of reaction by people, to call others names -- is a component of what led people to vote for Trump.

So you think it's ok to say everything Trump said during his campaign, and NOT be called out for it because... it's wrong to call people names?

Call him out, but keep listening. Those names are used to justify shutting down the discussion.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by Chris2048 » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 4:24 PM UTC

rootlocus wrote: post #576

masondixon wrote: post #575

A huge issue today is the lack of calm, reasoned debate. As a Trump supporter I have never been able to properly explain the rationale to a liberal. I believe there is a worthy debate beneath all the political smear, but it is never reached. I believe the reason for this is the liberal media and the incredibly effective Democratic party election machine. The argument stays at the high level of "how could you vote for…

> Thankfully, freedom of speech is such an integral part of the US, that there is not one side trying to control what the other can say, and the other doing the same back. Sure, you and Donald Trump can say whatever you please. Nobody's restricting your freedom of speech. However, what you say betrays who you are. And what Trump said showed he's a liar, misogynist, tech illiterate, arrogant and overall a disgusting h…

> Sure, you and Donald Trump can say whatever you please. Nobody's restricting your freedom of speech.

As opposed to who?

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by sosuke » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 4:25 PM UTC

masondixon wrote: post #803

jbob2000 wrote: post #649

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You've hit the nail on the head. Liberalism has spent the last 10 years being the language and thought police. Where is the liberalism that brought us social security and desegregation? Why isn't liberalism talking about and fighting for basic income? None of that, just "use phrases and words as I want you to". I am reminded of a common quip, which I am going to modify: First they came for the word nigger, and I stop…

Haha. Its such a waste of energy. There are real problems and its such a diversion. I think its social justice bikeshedding. Its easy and they think they are making a difference.

There isn't any contact info, your account is green (meaning shiny new) so this comment isn't related to your thread.

However I just wanted to compliment you on your seemingly boundless reserves of patience while still taking the time to respond to questions.

I've personally taken a silent stance on everything until I know enough to have a good discussion about things. It has been refreshing to read a perspective, your's, which I don't ever remember seeing before the vote.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by rootlocus » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 4:25 PM UTC

gedrap wrote: post #737

rootlocus wrote: post #576

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Thankfully, freedom of speech is such an integral part of the US, that there is not one side trying to control what the other can say, and the other doing the same back. Sure, you and Donald Trump can say whatever you please. Nobody's restricting your freedom of speech. However, what you say betrays who you are. And what Trump said showed he's a liar, misogynist, tech illiterate, arrogant and overall a disgusting h…

Sorry but your comment simply indicates the problem. It's quite similar to the post-Brexit discussions, how pro-Bexit people are stupid, etc. We can talk about what a "liar, misogynist, tech illiterate, arrogant and overall a disgusting human being" he is all we want. It would probably be fine, as in it wouldn't really matter, if he was some random radical weirdo with an audience of a dozen equally weird folks. But h…

> It's quite similar to the post-Brexit discussions, how pro-Bexit people are stupid, etc.

Except I didn't call voters stupid, I simply summarized what Trump said.

> We can talk about [...] It would probably be fine [...] But he's the President-elect.

Of course we can talk about it. We have freedom of speech (wasn't this the original point?). You mean to tell me he can say whatever he wants but I can't call him out because he's the president-elect?

I get it that everyone whats to prevent things from going worse but we shouldn't close our eyes or accept whatever Trump happens to say or do out of fear. He shouldn't be allowed to do whatever he wants because "we must be united". He should be called out and, if necessary held accountable.