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Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by criddell »

se6 wrote: post #705
meddlepal wrote: post #574

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Lots of cheap plastic. I don't love Apple products but the build quality of their products makes PC vendor laptops and desktops look really bad.

I prefer a great deal plastic to environmental foe aluminium. To me their use of aluminium is a very good reason not to buy Apple hardware. I have a Dell M3800 right now, and the build quality is very good. Thin, light, excellent 4K touch screen, good battery life, I easily added a second HDD to it. Not to mention that every thing works perfectly well under Linux.

> good battery life

What? The M3800 had terrible battery life under Windows and it was even worse under Linux.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by endemic »

jupiter2 wrote: post #384
takeda wrote: post #233

Surprised I don't see anyone else mentioning this. This looks to me like typical Microsoft strategy that they utilized a lot 25 years ago. 1. when not leader in given market, make your product fully compatible with competitor 2. start gaining momentum (e.g. why should I use Linux, when on Windows I can run both Linux and Windows applications) 3. once becoming leader break up compatibility 4. rinse and repeat Happened…

Thank you for mentioning this! Really bothered by all the positive comments, especially coming from savvy HN users. Gave this a long look and my main beef is that I couldn't possibly do anything on a Windows Machine in its' current state. Linux isn't just about running apps - there's a philosophy behind the system. Users first! As long as Microsoft continues to disrespect the rights of users in regard to privacy, dat…

> As long as Microsoft continues to disrespect the rights of users in regard to privacy, data-collection, data-sharing with unnamed sources, tracking, uncontrollable OS operations (updates, etc) - I will never go near it.

You've taken the words right out of my mouth. At first blush, Linux interop on Windows seems like the best of both worlds, but in reality you're giving up a lot more than you gain.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by facorreia »

chrisdotcode wrote: post #809
takeda wrote: post #233

Surprised I don't see anyone else mentioning this. This looks to me like typical Microsoft strategy that they utilized a lot 25 years ago. 1. when not leader in given market, make your product fully compatible with competitor 2. start gaining momentum (e.g. why should I use Linux, when on Windows I can run both Linux and Windows applications) 3. once becoming leader break up compatibility 4. rinse and repeat Happened…

> A team of sharp developers at Microsoft has been hard at work adapting some Microsoft research technology to basically perform real time translation of Linux syscalls into Windows OS syscalls. We've actually even seen this before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_POSIX_subsystem (EDIT: To nitpick, I think the MS POSIX subsystem actually implemented the POSIXy standards as native code, as opposed to the trans…

Also similar to the discontinued Windows Services for UNIX (SFU) and Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications (SUA).

And reminescent of Cooperative Linux, although that worked at the driver level and allowed the actual Linux kernel to be used.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by wtbob »

ausjke wrote: post #807
wtbob wrote: post #613

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I've been running TurboTax on Linux for over a decade now …

how did you do it? wine or virtualbox? am I missing something?

I use the web browser version. Some years I've had to change my user-agent header, but I've always managed to successfully submit my federal & state returns.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by yoklov »

anthk wrote: post #308
cturner wrote: post #297

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Non-trivial audio is still difficult to do cross-platform. You can load songs in SDL, but it's not suitable for writing something like a tracker. There's a library coming through libsoundio that looks promising for cross-platform, but it's still early days - I haven't been able to get it to compile yet.

OpenAL.

OpenAL is neither good nor reliable. Sadly, nothing on linux has the quality/reliability of DirectSound.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by yoklov »

icefox wrote: post #162
captainmuon wrote: post #47

A few random thoughts: - Wow, hell is really freezing over! - The hardest part of running bash and other posix things under windows is filesystem access. Windows uses drive letters and backslashes, unix has a root filesystem with forward slashes. It seems they are taking the same route as cygwin by "mounting" windows drives in /mnt/c (or /cygdrive/c). - If you just wanted bash and some posix tools, the harder but nic…

Some long term thoughts: 1) Linux has won the server (web) market. Developers would like to use a Unix box to work on their server code so they typically move to OS X. This could prevent that switch because they can still use Windows to developer their Linux server software. 2) Many projects start out as Linux and stay Linux and are only ported after much time and effort to Windows. Enterprises when faced with a tool…

I wouldn't expect (commercial) games to use this, even indies. Gamers (on Windows) are extremely harsh if you ship a buggy product, and this tends to be what happens for most linux ports. Gamers on linux are more forgiving since it's very hard to guarantee quality on linux, so they're more used to it. I'd be surprised if anybody wants to give that up on windows.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by creshal »

WatchDog wrote: post #750
nekkoru wrote: post #729

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(...)one key difference is that you don't run Mac OS X as a server operating system or on the cloud. http://www.apple.com/osx/server/ It's actually a pretty decent server environment.

Am I missing something or does this only run on apple hardware, yet apple don't make any server hardware?

They used to; nowadays you're apparently supposed to rackmount Mac Pros:

http://www.sonnettech.com/product/rackmacpro.html

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by kbenson »

Guest91283 wrote: post #778
kbenson wrote: post #591

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> Unbelievably staying on an older still supported platform until you are ready to update is a feature you have to pay money for! You are making it sound like they are forcing, or even automatically upgrading Windows 7 to Windows 8, or Windows 8 to Windows 10. They aren't. You have to specifically choose the 8->10 update, even if you are getting updates automatically installed. > I'm talking about the future equivale…

"You are making it sound like they are forcing, or even automatically upgrading Windows 7 to Windows 8, or Windows 8 to Windows 10. They aren't." That's not true. They're automatically upgrading computers. Read some of the thousands of below comments to hear the stories. My Windows 8.1 laptop automatically scheduled itself to upgrade, and I was fortunate enough to be paying close attention to cancel it. https://www.r…

That was a mistake. I find it beyond belief that they would intentionally upgrade people without confirmation or notification. As much as they would like people to upgrade, they know this would be PR suicide. At a minimum they would have had notifications that it was going to happen, and made it opt out. To my mind, that it was automatically checked but in the optional updates section points towards it being a weird bug in which an unforeseen interaction of attributes caused the problem. For example, it's possible that selecting that you did want to upgrade to Windows 10 through the popups they showed was supposed to put it in that weird state, where it was optional but checked by default, which would be a non-normal situation for an update. Weird exceptions like that are very prone to bugs.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by gumby »

I'm not being deliberately obtuse: I don't really understand how this helps anyone particularly much.

(OK, I assume there's a small number of developers who develop, or at least debug, for both systems and prefer windows as a development environment, but I assume that number is small, at least on Microsoft's scale).

If you're developing to deploy on Linux but are more of a Windows dev, this helps you, but that doesn't help Microsoft ship more server OS licenses.

If you're a Windows dev this is irrelevant.

If you're a linux (or posix only) dev I don't see how this helps you much. It does help a person like me, who only uses Windows when I need some weird tool like a compiler for an exotic embedded part or vendor-supplied FPGA tool that only works under Windows -- again, not a large enough market t move the needle.

Could the market be CIOs? I.e. demonstrating "hipness" in a way that can be verified when the CIO asks the devs "does this really work the way MS claims?"

Obviously it's not opening the huge number of popular Linux desktop apps to the Windows environment. :-(

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