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Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by bayindirh »

nasretdinov wrote: post #506
ajross wrote: post #268

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To be fair, this kind of dominance is not unprecedented. Intel was even further ahead in the early 2000's. Every new competitor process was further behind the leading edge and not closer. TSMC started launching half nodes like 28nm just to have something in the market that would sell. But then you started to see the cracks. New competitors would launch new products with very slightly better metrics than Intel's older…

TBH Apple never should've been the one who makes the best CPUs -- that's not really their area of expertise historically speaking either. It just appears that everyone else did such a terrible job for so long that they caught up

> It just appears that everyone else did such a terrible job for so long that they caught up

Or, Apple bought P.A. Semi and gave them the money and manpower they needed and they made a great job of designing CPUs and GPUs.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by torh »

alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

Earlier this year, a few weeks before the price hike, I bought an MacBook Air M5, and it was everything I hoped it would be. Long battery life and silent. The last part is important for me. I've gotten so fed up over the years by Wintel (Windows/Intel) machines where the fans are always running, even when idle.

My last Mac was an MacBook Air from 2011 (now we can talk about "a little sluggish"). I also don't dislike the current MacOS, although I do prefer the older look to the new one. But this is from a person using Windows 11 at work, so everything is a step up, right?

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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tyre wrote: post #776
Humphrey wrote: post #739

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I wonder when/if we will start to see Apple include a silicon encoded model into their chips. Similar to Taalas build Llama 3.1 silicon with 17,000 tok/s inference. So could the M7 actually include an AFM 3B model, alongside a generic neural engine?

Why would a local model for a consumer device need 17k tok/s? Apple is better off building chips with generalizable TPUs (or equivalent) so they can upgrade/patch models.

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Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by selfawareMammal »

bel8 wrote: post #724
hackersnooze1 wrote: post #715

I feel like the M series macs have been some of the most positively received computers ever made. I am yet to meet someone who doesn't love theirs, myself included.

I tried to love my work issued m4 pro for many months but couldn't stand macOS so asked for a linux compatible machine.

Out of curiosity what do you need to do with the OS that you can't on MacOS? Ive always found Linux too ugly looking to use and in terms of functionalities I'm not sure what I'm missing in MacOS

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Post by Hammershaft »

echelon wrote: post #766
plasticeagle wrote: post #605

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M1 Pro 2021 16GB RAM Feels as snappy and impressive as the first day I got it. I never need to close apps, or reboot. I record multitrack audio on it without any perceptible latency. I write code on it. It's the best computer I've ever owned by a significant margin.

MacBook is great hardware, but I really hate MacOS. It feels perpetually cellophane wrapped, and I don't like any of the window management. Finder is particularly awful too. You should be able to deeply tweak how window management works, but Mac won't let you do that. I'd run Linux on the hardware if it wasn't a hack.

I find MacOS miserable even if the hardware is good.

I can vouch for Aerospace, it brings i3 windowing to MacOS well.

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Post by bayindirh »

barrell wrote: post #780
plasticeagle wrote: post #605

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M1 Pro 2021 16GB RAM Feels as snappy and impressive as the first day I got it. I never need to close apps, or reboot. I record multitrack audio on it without any perceptible latency. I write code on it. It's the best computer I've ever owned by a significant margin.

M1 Pro 2021 16GB RAM as well. However, I live with Activity Monitor open at all times. The computer constantly grinds to a halt, and I have to force quit apps at least 10 times per day. Not really Apple's fault though, just most apps use around 4GB of RAM these days even when they're idle. Some use upwards of 16GB. I've watched the computer slowly get obsoleted over time, not because the hardware is too old, but beca…

But we have AI now! We can just write better software with a single prompt, right? /s

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Post by jackjeff »

mcv wrote: post #800
alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

Yeah, I really wish processors like these were available for other hardware. I don't really understand why everybody else isn't making SoC processors like these for laptops, and is still clinging to the 40 year old intel architecture.

The Snapdragon X2 Elite / Extreme are a thing but they lag a bit on the GPU side compared to to Apple.

But it’s not setting the PC laptop market on fire, and I’m quite surprised as well… I guess Lunar lake and the few ARM compatibility issues make it a worse option?

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Post by distances »

Jnr wrote: post #635
zer0zzz wrote: post #617

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Why buy all that for Linux when there’s asahi for the m1?

Because it still doesn't fully support all of the hardware on M1. I know it because I used Asahi while I had M1. Now I have M4 for work and it doesn't support Asahi at all. I just use Linux PC as much as possible instead. And that 4$ M4 is just a fancy presentation computer I use when I travel. Personally I would spend thousands on an actually great Linux laptop, but there are still none around.

Reviewers seem very happy with the new Framework Pro, have you considered it? Of course, it still wont have quite the same level CPU/GPU.

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Post by Perepiska »

bayindirh wrote: post #117

I know, this is a bit of a meaningless comment, but it's funny in a way. Feels like late 90s again: - Xiaomi: We have matched Apple in CPU performance. - Apple: *Meep Meep...*

Joke from 201x:

Apple: our CEO is gay.

Samsung: our CEO is also gay and waterproof.

Re: Apple introduces M6 and M5 Ultra

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Post by sandGorgon »

alluro2 wrote: post #524

I was blown away by M1 Pro, and used it for 4 years before it became a little sluggish, and replacing it with an Asus S16 running on Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (an excellent laptop). One of the main reasons was missing my old Linux setup. I've briefly tested M5 Pro in an Apple store and was surprised by how quick it felt and did anything. A tangible and significant difference, and I really feel it would be good getting it, or…

have you tried Windows + WSL2 ? i have been on fedora for 20 years.

WSL2 is one of the best linux experience you can have.

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