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As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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That's the same conclusion I reached. I'll keep publishing static websites, so I don't even have to worry about load and CPU usage. I don't care who reads it, the value for me is in writing. I still haven't changed my mind on the "shall I have kids" problem :P

if the value is for oneself, why go through the extra trouble of publishing it though?

The same reason you might scream out loud to no one in particular instead of just thinking it in your head.

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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I called this maybe 3y ago, but I think so did everyone else that was sane. Sure, we get immense value from AI, but indiscriminately injecting into everything, the one thing we know to be unreliable above the threshold we used to fire people for, is probably the greatest undoing of all the good companies like Google brought to the internet. I mean what a way to destroy your legacy of democratizing information. The am…

I find it so interesting how many comments about AI start with a disclaimer that of course it's very useful, before pointing out a negative of any sort. I do it too so it's not a criticism, but I find it kinda interesting culturally. It's a reflection I think of the environment that we've created for ourselves, or has been created for us (or some combo) where somehow you can't point out an unqualified negative of thi…

It's a very wide technology, there's going to be use cases where it works well. I think without the "of course it's useful" then you'd just be flooded with examples of where it works well as counterpoints whether they're relevant or not. Critics have to set the stage that they're criticizing a particular use case or aspect of the technology and not the whole thing all at once.

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Everything is opinion. A shared reality is just where opinions coincide.

Everything is perceived, and our perception gets filtered based on our prior experience. Just because we're not directly perceiving objective reality, that does not mean _everything_ is opinion. JFK was shot, that's not just my opinion. Unless you choose to believe some kind of post-modern crazyness, in which case - have at it.

You don’t actually know JFK was shot from your own personal experience. You just choose to believe what credible source claim. And even if you were there, who’s to say that your fallible memory is incorrect?

To be clear, I don’t think this line of thinking helps much. But it’s an interesting philosophical dilemma.

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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That's a good point - I've heard people make the same one whenever LLMs are brought up. I hope someday you're able to get more value from them. Anyway, my pool's looking great and I gained some new skills. I probably could have gotten there with books and YouTube alone, but having another tool at my disposal made me a bit more confident.

I remember this was brought up about a month or so on HN, in the context of describing how one person's experience using LLMs can be so vastly different than another person's: "LLMs seem good at things you are not good at." So, if you've never touched PVC before, LLM sounds plausibly competent--it may actually be or it may not be, but you'll walk away from it thinking you learned something. If you are a professional…

LLMs seem good at things you are not good at... primarily because you lack the skill to actually judge the goodness of their work, and they present their work confidently with an air of authority.

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Everything is opinion. A shared reality is just where opinions coincide.

Not necessarily. A shared reality is one where people are discussing the same thing (within a reasonable margin) even if filtered by their individual perceptions, and drawing different conclusions. I don't know the word for the opposite of shared reality (maybe private individualized realities), but it results in a scenario where you have nothing in common with other people other than "I saw some thing" and therefore…

"I don't know the word for the opposite of shared reality"

Different cultures?

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I’ve been programming professionally for 29 years and with the right constraints (strongly typed language, strict linting, adversarial review styleguide, test coverage, clearly defined spec or requirements) it does indeed regularly write good code. All of the other stuff required is either set-once-and-forget or is also AI, and it does require supervision, but it writes good code the vast majority of the time. Note t…

I’ve been programming professionally for 31 years. With all those guardrails it writes functional code - but I would still not call it good. But hey to each their own.

I think of the distinction here is about the domains we're coding within. If your software projects are product-y CRUD apps/sites... well, LLMs will tend to perform decently at that, because it's fundamentally pretty trivial work anyways, and there are so many examples to draw from. All CRUD apps are essentially isomorphic, with just some rules to plug in about data validation, business logic, etc. On the other hand, if your software projects involve more-difficult subject matter, you're going to find it struggles a lot more.

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So.. how do we design a Kagi, or a parallel Internet, that is immune to this? There's clearly a market.

The only way to be immune is make ads and tracking impossible or at least not profitable enough for bigcorps to care about putting them there. So, maybe a web without Javascript, images, or videos, lol. Something truly primitive like the Gemini protocol.

But it won't take off (even within our niche communities) without some scriptability and images and videos.

I'll give this some thought. Maybe there is a way.

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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I called this maybe 3y ago, but I think so did everyone else that was sane. Sure, we get immense value from AI, but indiscriminately injecting into everything, the one thing we know to be unreliable above the threshold we used to fire people for, is probably the greatest undoing of all the good companies like Google brought to the internet. I mean what a way to destroy your legacy of democratizing information. The am…

I find it so interesting how many comments about AI start with a disclaimer that of course it's very useful, before pointing out a negative of any sort. I do it too so it's not a criticism, but I find it kinda interesting culturally. It's a reflection I think of the environment that we've created for ourselves, or has been created for us (or some combo) where somehow you can't point out an unqualified negative of thi…

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