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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
#802All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…
I have a Volkswagen ID3, I love the adaptive cruise control. Yes, it gets it wrong in some spots (signage isn't great here in Asturias, Spain), and it gets it wrong in both directions (too slow at certain locations, too fast in others). But I still appreciate the convenience of not having to keep an eye on the speed nor the distance between the my car and the vehicles in front of me when driving on the freeway, where…
But how is it convenient to not pay attention to actually driving?? That doesn't sound like a convenience - that sounds dangerous
Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
#803Ford has had that since Blue Cruise 2.0, or thereabouts. It really shocked me how often it catches my attention being diverted. Things like talking to my passengers, adjusting the climate controls, or eating- I'm not even talking about 'advanced distractions' like my phone. It also seemed really accurate. I never remember it beeping at me when I was actually paying attention. It's totally plausible to me that this ki…
> It's totally plausible to me that this kind of nudge will save a lot of lives. I think an in-car breathalyzer which gates the ignition would also save a lot of lives. Most people agree that kind of manufactured paternalism is an overreach and would be against its introduction. Other people say the same about the diverted driving detector, and I imagine others said the same about the seatbelt sensor. The intersectio…
There is no limit to how much paternalism most people will accept. Therefore, we're bound to lose all of our personal freedom eventually, "for your protection."
Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
#804Earlier quoted context omitted.
We did an 8 hour ride on a rental recently in Central Europe, mostly through major motorways. The car dashboard disagreed with (apple) maps which disagreed with the road signage so often. The beeping was infuriating.
Apple maps so often disagree with reality.
Apple so often disagree with reality.
Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
#805Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's totally plausible to me that this kind of nudge will save a lot of lives. I think an in-car breathalyzer which gates the ignition would also save a lot of lives. Most people agree that kind of manufactured paternalism is an overreach and would be against its introduction. Other people say the same about the diverted driving detector, and I imagine others said the same about the seatbelt sensor. The intersectio…
It only sounds like overreach because we have become numb to an incredible amount of killing from distracted drivers.
What we've become numb to is the massive amount of overreach that has already happened.
Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
#806Earlier quoted context omitted.
EU driving assists are obtrusive to the point of making driving less safe in my experience. Great video on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-S76WEl25k
IMO most features are annoying and contribute to alarm fatigue and driver irritation, but are not directly dangerous. Lane keep assist though? I often drive on narrow country roads barely wide enough for two cars, with a white line on each side but no center line. To avoid large oncoming cars, I need to drive on the white line to my right. When I do, lane keep assist activates motors in my steering wheel which try to…
>IMO most features are annoying and contribute to alarm fatigue and driver irritation, but are not directly dangerous.
I agree but the "standard" for car/transportation discussions as set by the screeching morons is that 3rd and 4th order consequences count, so by their own rules it's dangerous even if only barely noticeable at the statistical level by torturing the data.
Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
#807Earlier quoted context omitted.
EU driving assists are obtrusive to the point of making driving less safe in my experience. Great video on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-S76WEl25k
IMO most features are annoying and contribute to alarm fatigue and driver irritation, but are not directly dangerous. Lane keep assist though? I often drive on narrow country roads barely wide enough for two cars, with a white line on each side but no center line. To avoid large oncoming cars, I need to drive on the white line to my right. When I do, lane keep assist activates motors in my steering wheel which try to…
>IMO most features are annoying and contribute to alarm fatigue and driver irritation, but are not directly dangerous.
I agree but the "standard" for car/transportation discussions as set by the screeching morons is that indirect Nth order consequences count, so by their own rules it's dangerous even if only barely noticeable at the statistical level by torturing the data.
Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
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Anyone who's working on making driving a car unbearable has my vote! My bicycle has a single chime and it's manually operated.
Let me guess: You get your groceries delivered by some underpaid sucker? While I enjoy biking it's impractical many times (if you don't live a sheltered life with people doing all the annoying stuff for you). We have those inner city bike extremists here, too. There's proposals like banning all motorized traffic from the city because you "can walk to your bakery duh". But they never ask themselves how the baker gets…
I own a car and a bike. I wouldn’t mind if cars were banned or very heavily restricted in the city.
I have a trailer for the bike, we can haul 100 lbs. it’s more than enough.
Businesses can be allowed to get deliveries, just personal cars are restricted.
In my city, many businesses have switched to operating from a cargo bike: plumbers, electricians, even mechanics.
Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
#809Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps not everyone should be driving? This is not a criticism towards you, I don't have the patience to be behind a wheel, and I know of many drivers that are a danger to themselves and others. If the side effect of this system is that there are fewer people driving because they can't manage the alarms, then that's good enough for me.
I don't want any kind of alarms, indicators, beepers, flashers, or other distract-o-trons in cars, for any reason. It's pretty simple. You should be driving a car, not a pinball table.
That's fair, but what you want is not the only thing that matters. Your driving affects me as well, and I want you to be beeped at when you're not doing a good job.
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Must be close to actually worthless if they’re not shipping them out-of-state, no?
Yeah, if it's worth more than 4k registered, it'll either be fixed or shipped. California gives you $1200 to junk it, people will come pick it up for $1500 and a lot of times you'll see it pop back up in state because they illegally resuscitated it with a defouler, a used/EPA cat and put it back into circulation.
>because they illegally resuscitated it with a defouler, a used/EPA cat and put it back into circulation.
If it passes the sniffer it passes the sniffer, other than the parties who are whiny because they stood to make a buck who cares?