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Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Sam and related spend half their lives on TV poking the bear laughing about how he is going to use his tech to ruin peoples lives and there is nothing they can do about it. Some of those people have nothing to lose.

Jesus can’t believe I have to white-knight Altman here, but can you point a single video or interview where any of the AI CEOs have been “ laughing about how he is going to use his tech to ruin peoples lives.” This is the exact kind of poisonous, plausible-sounding but false and inflammatory rhetoric that is escalating things.

https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-show-sam-altman

When one is telling farriers that most of them are going to lose their jobs, one might want to try to at least mimic more compassion.

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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> but I don’t think violence is funny or justified Well, that's okay, because even Sam Altman disagrees with you. He absolutely believes that violence, including deadly violence, is justified - hence his contract with the US Department of War to use their systems in kill chains. Perhaps the problem is that whoever threw the cocktail didn't use AI to select him as a target, or maybe he didn't receive payment for throw…

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I don't think that OpenAI necessarily enforces or fundamentally respects the democratic process. After the recent Pentagon spat with Anthropic, OpenAI did not change their stance to conditionally demand lawful usage of their product.

OpenAI can market democratic values very easily, I'm sure the White House loves that kind of dog-and-pony show. But it's pretty clear that OpenAI does not genuinely care about Rule of Law, let alone preventing humanitarian disasters from citing ChatGPT as their abettor.

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Attacking Sam and his family will only cause harm to one family. What Sam is doing with ICE, DoW, etc is harming tens of millions around the globe.

Which is why this narrative of caring about his family is so absurd. A defense contractor is in the business of war. In supplying the war machine, you should be living in a fortress. Tall walls, check your drink for poison, live in paranoia. Every person in the business of war knows what they are getting in to, and how to protect their family. How is someone that is near the face of AI this naive about such an ancien…

It’s almost like these people believe Being in the business of violence and death is fine. Killing other people, making their lives a living nightmare, etc.

Suddenly it’s not ok when a tiny fraction of that violence comes home.

Hypocrisy at its most extreme.

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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I've skimmed the thread here and I am now seriously considering leaving HN for the first time in about 15 years. Here are some quotes from what used to be a pretty interesting and thoughtful community: > Ah, the Elon manoeuvre: trying to make would-be assassins hesitate by using your own child as a shield. > the words and narratives that Sam Altman promoted caused so much fear and uncertainty and anger that someone t…

In my time in HN I have seen numerous people advocate for the following * ending all covid measures to achieve herd immunity, accepting that this condemns hundreds of thousands or even millions to die * ending foreign aid that goes to tuberculosis treatments, condemning hundreds of thousands or even millions to die of a treatable disease * accepting the deaths of iranian, palestinian, or israeli children as collatera…

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Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

#805

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sam and related spend half their lives on TV poking the bear laughing about how he is going to use his tech to ruin peoples lives and there is nothing they can do about it. Some of those people have nothing to lose.

Jesus can’t believe I have to white-knight Altman here, but can you point a single video or interview where any of the AI CEOs have been “ laughing about how he is going to use his tech to ruin peoples lives.” This is the exact kind of poisonous, plausible-sounding but false and inflammatory rhetoric that is escalating things.

Can you point to me the amount of time and money they've spent lobbying Congress for an economic bill of rights for citizens? Or bills guaranteeing health care and basic food and living for all people?

The masses see an incredibly small number of people making huge amounts of money, and gaining massive political influence, by developing technologies they intend to use to replace almost all human economic worth. And they are doing very little if anything to show concern for the fates of the millions of people that may be put out of work.

I see this different than the discovery of oil or electricity or the Internet. It's bigger than that, and they are telling us to remain calm in a burning building while they walk toward the exits.

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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post #714

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I’m pretty sure if someone sexually assaulted my child or murdered them I’d be more than morally justified to get a few or a lot of punches in. Some people are treated a whole lot better than others in prison.

Are the parents of an Iranian nuclear scientist murdered by an OpenAI-powered drone morally justified to murder Sam Altman?

They have "given" that privilege to the Iranian Army.

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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I don't think I've ever seen a thread this bad on Hacker News*. The number of commenters justifying violence, or saying they "don't condone violence" and then doing exactly that, is sickening and makes me want to find something else to do with my life—something as far away from this as I can get. I feel ashamed of this community. * Edit: It would have been clearer to say "I've never seen a mob dynamic this bad on Hac…

Maybe its opportune to talk about editorial consistency, because your statement here is a fascinating case study in selective moral clarity.

When posts surface about Gaza, documented by the UN, by Médecins Sans Frontières, by the Lancet, by journalists who were subsequently killed while reporting or now in Lebanon, they vanish from the front page with remarkable efficiency...

The reasons, which I have collected like trading cards at this point, include: "too political," "not related to tech," "flamebait," "this isn't the forum for this," "not intellectually curious," and my personal favorite, "this will only generate heat, not light."

Entire hospital systems destroyed, aid workers killed in marked vehicles, tens of thousands of documented child casualties, and the curated editorial position is: not HN material.

A Molotov cocktail lands on a billionaire CEO's porch. No injuries. Likely a disturbed individual, and according to some well researched reporting in the New Yorker, Altman's personal life has generated no shortage of intense grievances that have nothing to do with AI or tech.

But here we are: front page, moderator editorial, existential crisis about the community's soul...!?

So help me understand the framework. Is violence HN worthy when it is directed upward on the org chart? Is a zero casualty arson attempt on a mansion more deserving of community reflection than systematic destruction of civilian infrastructure, because one involves someone in YC Rolodex?

You write that you've "never seen a thread this bad." I'd invite you to read the comments that appear in the eleven minutes before Gaza threads get flagged. They're remarkably similar in tone, just aimed at people who don't have Sam publicist.

You say you want to "find something else to do with your life." Maybe that instinct is worth listening to. Since the AI boom, HN moderation has drifted from "intellectually curious forum" toward something closer to "curated narrative for the industry it covers."

When a platform consistently decides that violence against tech executives is a moral emergency but violence enabled by tech companies' contracts is "off-topic," the person setting that editorial line is not a neutral steward, they're an editor with a viewpoint.

And that's fine, but let's not dress it up as community values. So...In the spirit of consistency:

I'd like to this post be flagged. It involves no technology. It's a criminal matter best left to law enforcement. The comment section is, by the moderator's own assessment, irredeemably toxic. It is generating heat, not light. It is too political. It is not intellectually curious. It will attract flamebait.

In other words...it meets every single criterion routinely applied to kill discussions about violence that does not happen on somebody porch in Pacific Heights.

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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I don't think I've ever seen a thread this bad on Hacker News*. The number of commenters justifying violence, or saying they "don't condone violence" and then doing exactly that, is sickening and makes me want to find something else to do with my life—something as far away from this as I can get. I feel ashamed of this community. * Edit: It would have been clearer to say "I've never seen a mob dynamic this bad on Hac…

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Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Didn’t we just go through several weeks of hearing about OpenAI allowing its tech to be used for conducting warfare? Not saying that justifies harming Altman but I am confused that he seems surprised he is now in physical danger? [Or chalks it up to just some single specific incendiary article rather than the companies actual actions?] If you involve yourself in the act of killing people then, yeah, you’re going to g…

The US is still a democracy. It's absolutely ok to oppose war. It is absolutely not ok for "some people to want to hurt" someone who is running a company that is vying for contracts from a democratically elected government's defense department. It's also ok to protest that, to boycott it or to refuse to work for or with them for it. But escalating that to physical violence is not ok, and nor should people be "confuse…

>It is absolutely not ok for "some people to want to hurt" someone who is running a company that is vying for contracts from a democratically elected government's defense department.

Why though?

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Didn’t we just go through several weeks of hearing about OpenAI allowing its tech to be used for conducting warfare? Not saying that justifies harming Altman but I am confused that he seems surprised he is now in physical danger? [Or chalks it up to just some single specific incendiary article rather than the companies actual actions?] If you involve yourself in the act of killing people then, yeah, you’re going to g…

"I'm not saying violence is okay, but violence is okay"

Pretty much everyone thinks that violence is ok against certain people. You probably do too. The disagreements are about who violence is ok to use against.
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