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Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by dang »

fluffybucktsnek wrote: post #394
bondarchuk wrote: post #167

All the weak excuses posted here are just making me lean more towards a hardline policy. No I don't want to read a human-generated summary of your llm brainstorming session. No I don't want to read human-written text with wording changes suggested by an llm. No I don't want to read an excerpt from llm output even if you correctly attribute it. I acknowledge this is partly just my personal bias, in some cases really n…

Dare I say, it is mostly your bias. I get not wanting to read raw or poorly reviewed LLM slop, but AI-edited comments? I thought the point was about having interesting discussions about unique ideas we come up with, not the surpeficial wording around it. If someone manages to keep the core of their idea mostly intact while making the presentation more readable, does it really matter that it was post-processed by an A…

When you put the question that way, the answer is naturally no. However, there are other factors. I wrote about this here if you want to take a look: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47342616.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by cobbzilla »

uni_baconcat wrote: post #754

For quite a while, I like use LLM to refine and fix my grammar issue, but my colleagues and professors reminds me that it was way too obvious. They said they can tolerate some mistakes in my words, but no tolerance for AI generated content.

You write well enough to use your own voice.

I don’t think it is so binary black/white though.

I don’t mind if someone who has no command of English uses a translator. But there is a difference between a translator and an AI/LLM.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by Nevermark »

cobbzilla wrote: post #797
Nevermark wrote: post #796

This is a wonderful rule. It also points out the need for AI writing tools that very strictly just: 1. Point out misspellings and typos. 2. Point our grammar mistakes, if they confuse the point. 3. Point out weaknesses of argument, without injecting their own reasoning. I.e. help "prompt" humans to improve their writing, without doing the improvement for them. In fact, I would like a reliable version of that approach…

I don’t want to read AI slop, but how do you feel about translations? I don’t mind when non-native speakers use it to express themselves, especially if disclaimed (but I give a pass even if not). Does it bother you?

I think it makes perfect sense.

But that a site might still want to discourage it, to avoid general degradation. It is a tradeoff.

If someone can write in the target language, just not well, a model could be asked to point out problems for the writer to fix. Rewrite a difficult sentence.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by thezipcreator »

cobbzilla wrote: post #797
Nevermark wrote: post #796

This is a wonderful rule. It also points out the need for AI writing tools that very strictly just: 1. Point out misspellings and typos. 2. Point our grammar mistakes, if they confuse the point. 3. Point out weaknesses of argument, without injecting their own reasoning. I.e. help "prompt" humans to improve their writing, without doing the improvement for them. In fact, I would like a reliable version of that approach…

I don’t want to read AI slop, but how do you feel about translations? I don’t mind when non-native speakers use it to express themselves, especially if disclaimed (but I give a pass even if not). Does it bother you?

We've had machine translation for a while and I don't think anybody particularly thinks of it as a bad thing? Writing something and then having a machine directly translate it (possibly imperfectly) is a lot different than a machine writing the thing.

Personally I would like people to try learning other languages more (it's hard but rewarding) but you can't learn every language ever, and it is really hard to learn a language to fluency.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by cobbzilla »

dang wrote: post #793
kjuulh wrote: post #571

I am 100% behind this. I've been browsing hackernews since I started in tech, it is the only forum i regularly browse, and partake in. Simply because the quality of submissions and conversations are so high. There has been more AI related articles this part year, and it only seems ramping. I personally haven't found the AI part of the comments as big of a deal but dang and tom might be doing more than I realize on th…

The dynamics of content production are shifting hard right now. Things that used to signal something interesting are being generated in minutes with little thought. It's getting democratized, but also commoditized. It's too soon to know how this is going to shake out, so we should resist the temptation to impose rules prematurely. And we should especially not do so out of resistance to change (when has that ever work…

I appreciate the thoughtful approach. It must be a deluge.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by altairprime »

caditinpiscinam wrote: post #745

We've all heard the phrase "the sum of all human knowledge". I've been feeling more and more that generative AI represents the average of all human knowledge. Which has its place. But a future in which all thought and creativity is averaged away is a bleak one. It's the heat death of thought.

Perhaps closer to “the mean vector point such that all outbound vectors to different training tests are in sum the smallest”? I assume that’s a property of neural networks anyways, though I’m out of date on current math for them.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by altairprime »

dang wrote: post #426
arrsingh wrote: post #381

There should be a "flag as AI" link in addition to "flag" and then a setting for people to show flagged as AI. Once the flagged as AI reaches a certain threshold then it disappears unless you enable "Show AI". Maybe once enough posts have been flagged like that then that corpus could be used to train an AI to automatically detect content generated by AI. That would be cool. Maybe the HN site wouldn't add this feature…

We're going to add that. I've resisted adding reasons-for-flagging for years, but even I can change my mind every decade or so. A nice side effect is that it will double as a confirmation step, solving the FFF (fat finger flagging) problem.

> it will double as a confirmation step, solving the FFF (fat finger flagging) problem

Thank you!!!

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by permo-w »

caditinpiscinam wrote: post #745

We've all heard the phrase "the sum of all human knowledge". I've been feeling more and more that generative AI represents the average of all human knowledge. Which has its place. But a future in which all thought and creativity is averaged away is a bleak one. It's the heat death of thought.

You're falsely conflating knowledge with intelligence
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