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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by calf »

Ray20 wrote: post #350
paganel wrote: post #326

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At no point in life I would wish for my fellow citizens to get killed by a foreign power. I’m already in my mid-40s, I’ve spent a day or two out in the streets, protesting (granted, not against governments that the West labels as dictatorial), but at no point has that option crossed my mind. More on point, I would regard the people thinking like that as traitors, because that’s what they are by definition, wishing fo…

> your fellow citizens to get killed by a foreign Power so that your political views can prevail What does the assassination of DICTATORS have to do with all of this? Dictatorship is less about citizenship and more about a form of slavery. Resisting the killing of a dictator in any way, regardless of who is trying to kill him or why, is treason to a nation.

People don't agree on what a dictator looks like.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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dotancohen wrote: post #600
Cipater wrote: post #454

I work with and know a lot of Shia (non-Iranian) Muslims and listening to them talk about this assassination I'm convinced that the likelihood of attempted terror attacks against the US has increased significantly. The non-Iranian part is key. Millions of muslims around the world viewed the Iranian theocracy as the only power in the world fighting for Islam. They are devastated.

Are you suggesting that the US should appease Muslim ideology, under threat of terror?

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

dotancohen wrote: post #698
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #695

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Those values seem to be exactly the ones being discarded by the Christo-fascists of the USA. My point is that the so-called Christian values are nothing to do with the reported teachings of Jesus and instead are used to justify the exact opposite.

I did not realize that the point of discussion had changed to specifically Christo-fascists of the USA. My point still stands in regard to the vast majority of Christians you will meet. One thing that I can not stand about some modern fanatics is the representation of 1% of a population as if they represent the whole. Don't bring up Christo-fascists of the USA as representative of Christian values. That's highjacking…

> Do you value separation of state and religious authority? Women's rights? Minority rights? Human dignity? Equality before the law? Sanctity of life? Individual moral responsibility? Monogamous marriage? The objective study of history? Fair trial? Witnesses at trial? Tolerance of alternative viewpoints?

Sorry, I thought you were pointing out the many issues with the current US administration and you were showing the difference between Christo-fascists and Christians who value the teachings of Jesus.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by kbelder »

bsaul wrote: post #747
Cipater wrote: post #567

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Any celebrations are an indicator but are far from the entire picture. Wouldn't there be celebrations in the US if Trump died? What conclusions would you draw from that?

i don't think any american would celebrate if trump was killed by a foreign army bombing the country. Whereas french did celebrate US planes bombing nazis on their soil.

Some would; you see some in this thread. But only a fringe, thankfully.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by SegfaultSeagull »

sosomoxie wrote: post #790
enrightened wrote: post #785

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Israel is surrounded by "enemies" because it's a European colony that was artificially constructed through ethnic cleansing and terror. I'm in the US, and it's crystal clear that Israel is the #1 threat to my way of life. There's a massive population that is done being gaslit about this.

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by gib444 »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #482
Alifatisk wrote: post #479

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Of all options, why would Denmarks prime minister be next?

Refusal to hand over Greenland. (I'm not saying it's plausible, just want to explain the rationale.)

> Refusal to hand over

Technically correct but slightly loaded phrasing. It implies the USA is in the right. Denmark is /defending/ itself and its territories.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

EtienneDeLyon wrote: post #782
maybelsyrup wrote: post #709

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> But as one whom the Ayatollah has sworn to eliminate What does this mean — did you stick him with the bill at all restaurant or something?

He's doing what's called "Hasbara". Regular people call it "lying".

I love this basically pointing out that racists call it "Hasbara" and regular people call it "lying".

Don't agree it applies in this situation, but it's nice to see someone break down regular people don't give a special jewish name to something that already has a common name/definition, and that the common name better communicates the intended concept so the purpose of using the word is to convey something different than basic understanding.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by calf »

inglor_cz wrote: post #580
jmyeet wrote: post #570

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Did you miss the part where I said that Iran is not going to fall apart like some seem to think?

Why do you make comparisons to Libya or Somalia then, if you don't believe that this is going to happen. The defining characteristic of failed states is that central control crumbles and various local warlords step into the void.

Actually I do this a lot, I cite specific examples a, b to indicate a much more general category C that I have in mind. It's the 21st century and plausible that new types of failure-states unlike those seen historically will happen. So it's not necessarily a contradiction the other commenter had.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by sosomoxie »

SegfaultSeagull wrote: post #805
sosomoxie wrote: post #790

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Israel is surrounded by "enemies" because it's a European colony that was artificially constructed through ethnic cleansing and terror. I'm in the US, and it's crystal clear that Israel is the #1 threat to my way of life. There's a massive population that is done being gaslit about this.

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I would encourage everyone to read about The Balfour Declaration and Nakba. Like I said, we're tired of being gaslit.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_declaration

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

I would also encourage everyone to find all of the TikTok videos posted by the IDF themselves, detailing, in depth, the war crimes they committed.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by oytis »

hattimaTim wrote: post #731
oytis wrote: post #131

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How is it bad? Imagine a world where instead of sending hundreds of thousands young men to die, countries would just launch targeted attacks on the head of enemy's state.

Would you say the same if iran killed trump?

I cannot confirm or deny that I would say the same thing
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