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The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by gpt5 »

0x600613 wrote: post #324

2 countries with the best war technologies on earth must work together to have a war with embargod-country-for-decades. And those 2 counties are founder of Board of Peace.

The reason it is hard is not due to a power balance. Both of those countries could have sent nukes with minimal efforts.

But their goal is targeted and precise attacks, that effectively destroy targets based on specific, and high quality intelligence.

The other part is that defense against missiles is significantly harder and more expensive than sending missiles. Iran, while relatively poor, has dedicated a significant part of its economy for missile development and production.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by ActorNightly »

nullocator wrote: post #768
niemandhier wrote: post #342

Previous conflicts between the involved parties were intense but also defined by constrain on both sides. Israel did not mass bomb civilians, and Iranian agents did not commit sabotage against infrastructure on US soil. I hope this pattern persists. A hand full of determined Ukrainians managed to blow up North Stream, some people plunged part of Berlin into darkness for 2 weeks. Power and data cables as well as pipel…

Israel has been mass bombing civilians right next door for years now.

Then explain how the Population of Palestine keeps growing.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by tim333 »

globemaster99 wrote: post #551

Peace president ah? American terrorists never learn to mind their own business in their own country. Where are all the MAGA clowns? How exactly attacking Iran make their country great? Murdered million children in Iraq and now they started their terrorism in Iran.

Some Iranian kids in Iran celebrating, I think https://x.com/shadygrooove/status/2027667467456442730

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by FuckButtons »

Zealotux wrote: post #352
adverbly wrote: post #341

Well hopefully this is short, minimally lethal, and leads to regime change for all those involved.

>leads to regime change for all those involved Including for the U.S. and Israel?

Did he stutter?

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by azernik »

violentapricot wrote: post #520
Arun2009 wrote: post #426

I am just befuddled by how much of this violence is directly motivated by religious concerns, both on the side of Iran and on the side of Israel and USA. I have been reading on the topic of shunyata or emptiness in Mahayana Buddhism, and have been uncomfortably observing just how much of the artifacts we take to be real and substantial in the world are just "made up". They don't have an inherent reality of their own…

It's not said in polite company, but Israeli concerns are racial, not religious. If you meet a Jewish zionist, then you've also met an athiest. An explanation of Christian Zionism deserves much longer discussion than can be made here, but how and why such an obvious contradiction to Jesus' ministry gained popularity is something worth studying.

Not entirely accurate:

1. Many Israeli Jewish Zionists are either "traditional" (religious but not that much) or Religious Zionist, and they are generally part of the right wing coalition. Actual atheists tend to be in the Israeli (still-Zionist) left.

2. The Zionist conception of Jewish identity is not "racial" in the American sense. The most obvious sense in which this is true is that it considers converts and their descendants full members of the nation. Probably the closest analogies are some Native American nations' identities or Armenian nationalism.

But you're directionally correct - Zionism is not a particularly religious ideology within the Jewish world, and outside of the Religious Zionist minority the political class is (openly!) on the less observant end even on the right.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by mandeepj »

papaver-somnamb wrote: post #328

I recall someone (name escapes me at the moment) defining WW3 as ignition in 5 flashpoints between belligerent groupings: - Eastern Africa esp. Sudan, which we all nearly universally ignore - Israel Iran - Russia and a neighbor which we know today is Ukraine - Pakistan Afghanistan India - China Taiwan Plus Plus Attributes that distinguish WW3 from previous world wars were IIRC: Contained conflagration, short targeted…

> 'All human evil comes from a single cause, man's inability to sit still in a room.'

old men's*

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by eunos »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #435
yodsanklai wrote: post #396

Nothing like a war to boost your popularity just before the elections

> Nothing like a war to boost your popularity just before the elections If he pulls off a regime change, even a Delcy-style swaparoo, he'll get it, and arguably not undeservedly. It will ultimately come down to Iran's capacity to inflict casualties on American forces.

>Delcy-style swaparoo,

I think IRGCs are much more robust and zealous than whatever Maduro had.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by rayiner »

papaver-somnamb wrote: post #328

I recall someone (name escapes me at the moment) defining WW3 as ignition in 5 flashpoints between belligerent groupings: - Eastern Africa esp. Sudan, which we all nearly universally ignore - Israel Iran - Russia and a neighbor which we know today is Ukraine - Pakistan Afghanistan India - China Taiwan Plus Plus Attributes that distinguish WW3 from previous world wars were IIRC: Contained conflagration, short targeted…

What's missing here is the complex network of alliances that led to WWI. The Iranian regime has alienated virtually everyone, including many of its Muslim neighbors. Nor is the regime part of some overarching international movement, like the communist countries were. Who is going to lift a finger to help Iran?

I'm not supportive of these strikes. Iranians created this government, and if they want to topple it they'll have to be the ones to do it, without foreign intervention.

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Post by tim333 »

ivraatiems wrote: post #34

I was discussing this with a friend today. It just feels like there's no point to these actions. Not in the sense of "I don't ideologically agree with our decision to do this," but in the sense of, "I do not see how this accomplishes any ideological or practical goal." What are they trying for? Regime change in Iran? No more Iranian nuclear program? There barely was one before. Keeping Israel safe? It's been an open…

Yeah, regime change and no nukes.
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