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Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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This is the strongest statement in the post: > They have threatened to remove us from their systems if we maintain these safeguards; they have also threatened to designate us a “supply chain risk”—a label reserved for US adversaries, never before applied to an American company—and to invoke the Defense Production Act to force the safeguards’ removal. These latter two threats are inherently contradictory: one labels u…

> two threats are inherently contradictory: one labels us a security risk; the other labels Claude as essential to national security.

They are only contradictory if you think about it.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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> mass surveillance presents serious, novel risks to our fundamental liberties.

Doesn't matter, really. The genie is out of the bottle and I'm strongly confident US administration will find a vendor willing to supply models for that particular usage.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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All of these problems are downstream of the Congress having thoroughly abdicated its powers to the executive. The military should be reigned in at the legislative level, by constraining what it can and cannot do under law. Popular action is the only way to make that happen. Energy directed anywhere else is a waste. Private corporations should never be allowed to dictate how the military acts. Such a thought would be…

> The technology can just be requisitioned During a war with national mobilization, that would make sense. Or in a country like China. This kind of coercion is not an expected part of democratic rule.

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Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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> mass __domestic__ surveillance is incompatible with democratic values But mass surveillance of Australians or Danes is alligned with democratic values as long as it's the Americans doing it? I don't think the moral high ground Anthropic is taking here is high enough.

Most of the people on this site have disturbing beliefs about politics. Shallow and contradictory but strangely aligned.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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post #618

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just see here is nationalism. How can they claim to be in favour of humanity if they're in favour of spying foreign partners, developing weapons, and everything that serves the sacred nation of the United States of America? How fast do Americans dehumanize nations with the excuse of authoritarianism (as if Trump is not authoritarian) and national defence (more like attack). It's amazing that after these obvious jin…

It’s not like other countries do not do this. They’re just not so prone to virtue signaling as in the US.

This argument is in poor faith. First of all, a contradiction between your own stated values and your own actions cannot be excused by the status quo; it's on you to resolve it. Second, that's a very bold claim that is broad and cynical enough to make it easy to use it as an excuse for anything heinous.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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I used to work at Anthropic, and I wrote a comment on a thread earlier this week about the RSP update [1]. It's enheartening to see that leaders at Anthropic are willing to risk losing their seat at the table to be guided by values. Something I don't think is well understood on HN is how driven by ideals many folks at Anthropic are, even if the company is pragmatic about achieving their goals. I have strong signal th…

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Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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> mass __domestic__ surveillance is incompatible with democratic values But mass surveillance of Australians or Danes is alligned with democratic values as long as it's the Americans doing it? I don't think the moral high ground Anthropic is taking here is high enough.

There is no popular support whatsoever for reining in foreign intelligence collection or processing. Americans generally don’t care about things that don’t affect them when it comes to policymaking (or the richest country in the world would do something meaningful about the 20k that die every single day from lack of access to fresh water).

If it ain’t repeatedly on the news and designed explicitly to scare and agitate then really people DGAF.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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post #794

Agree fully with the main points of this statement. Mass domestic surveillance is the hallmark of an authoritarian and undemocratic state. That such a state holds 'votes' regularly does not detract from the chilling effect on public discourse and politics caused by mass surveillance. The guardrail on fully automated weapons makes perfect sense, and hopefully becomes standardised globally.

if the people broadly support and vote for mass democratic surveillance, is it still authoritarian and undemocratic?
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