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New York’s budget bill would require “blocking technology” on all 3D printers

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Post by theodric »

voidUpdate wrote: post #502
zdragnar wrote: post #218

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Wikipedia has much better information about guns than most of the people talking about them in politics, generally speaking. It's not too surprising, considering the way the rules are written at the ATF. There's basically zero logical thought that goes into pistol vs rifle vs felony: https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/a4gnr3/makes_perf... (Sorry for the reddit link, it's a common image but that was the first…

What's the difference between a "pistol brace" and a "stock"? Don't they both go into your shoulder to stabilise the weapon?

Stock goes against the shoulder. Brace goes against the elbowpit. If you let the brace touch your shoulder, your braced pistol suddenly becomes an unregistered SBR, and you become a felon. Oopsie!

US gun laws are bizarre.

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Post by AngryData »

anthk wrote: post #533
Arch-TK wrote: post #485

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EURion marks are a feature you must include on your banknote for it to even be considered real. And it's _one_ feature. It's relatively trivial to make a chip which can detect their presence. On the other hand, if I need a replacement part for something, it's unlikely I will find the manufacturer giving me models for it. And if a manufacturer is giving me models for it, they probably do so with the explicit expectati…

As an European I'd say any USAnite can almost get a gun with breakfast cereal boxes. But weapons' culture in the US it's obsolete. Militias can't do shit against tyranical govs because once they send drones it's game over.

Drones may be good against foreign adversaries, but you can't bomb your own population and cities into being productive economy. A war between two well funded and supported militaries is far different than an insurgency.

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Post by AngryData »

Edman274 wrote: post #641
rayiner wrote: post #563

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Goat herders with guns in Afghanistan kicked the U.S. army out of their country.

Afghanistan is a landlocked country on the other side of the planet, the soldiers didn't grow up with knowledge of the terrain, they had no knowledge of the language, culture, customs or social networks, no one locally (with few exceptions) wanted them there, and crucially they only lost once they left, and when they left, there were no penalties for the people who started the war; no US politicians were in any dange…

But at the same time a domestic insurrection means your enemies have direct access to all of your most important infrastructure and logistics and supporting economy. It might be expensive to fly or float materials and people over to the middle east, but you don't gotta worry about 1000+ miles of pissed off insurgents potentially around every bend and tree or mixed into your own military or logistic personnel.

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Post by AngryData »

WalterBright wrote: post #451
autoexec wrote: post #387

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> A right to vote includes the right to not vote. Then add an abstain option to the ballot while still requiring people to show up and select the box. While I do think voting should be mandatory, I'd say that we should make it substantially easier. More polling places, mail in voting, having a mandated paid day off to vote and having more than one day to vote in person would go a long way to making the requirement wo…

Forcing people to the polling place doesn't sound like a free society. Nor does it auger for any positive votes - people forced into something don't behave well. You'll get perverse voting.

Personally I don't find "tick atleast this one box and sign your name, otherwise you get a $20 fine" is too much to ask. If it wasn't the US I would assume most fines would still be ignored by the law anyways, but giving the US legal system another way to fuck with people is also kind of worrying when it is so bad already.

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Post by ls612 »

mghackerlady wrote: post #742
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Living through all of the events of 2020 in Minneapolis of all places led me to the conclusion that when push comes to shove there is no law, only hard power and the will to use it. If you want examples of events that could be reasonably interpreted as “this sort of thing”, the son of the guy who tried to assassinate Trump the second time was mysteriously arrested for possession of CSAM a week after his dad was arres…

That could also be related to his family being under more scrutiny by authorities

You're right that absent some colossal screwup you could never prove one way or another that it was legit vs planted, but stuff like that changes my priors on what I believe can happen. The fact that it is completely deniable also increases the incentive for the government to do it, and they no doubt have the capability. Capability and motive combined leads me to believe that it likely does happen.

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Post by dns_snek »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #670
dns_snek wrote: post #468

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We do still have open source hardware but that's the last line of defense against actions like this, not the first. They'll target distribution which will affect open source and proprietary hardware equally. You need to kill this sort of legislation in its crib.

You need both, because there really is no such thing as kill it in it's crib. The people that want this will continue to want it forever, and will continue to propose it forever. And eventually it works.

How would this situation be any different if BBL printers were open source?

The law doesn't care about licensing, there are just 2 groups of printers - those that follow the law and implement effective blocking technology and those that don't.

If BBL sells an open source printer that allows someone to trivially bypass proposed mandatory blocking technology, they'll be fined and held liable for any crimes that result from guns printed using their 3D printers.

So BBL, as open source as they might want to be, is not allowed to sell such a product.

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Post by nyjah »

ssl-3 wrote: post #793
eggy wrote: post #302

I built an 8'x4' CNC router table in 2004. I bought rack and pinion, steppers, drives, aluminum extrusion, and I had it built in one week. What would stop someone from building their own printer and building and selling printers to others who don't have the skill set? They would make it illegal to make 3D printers or CNC machinery without a license, and if you are caught it is tantamount to making guns.

2004! You were way ahead of most of us on that game. Custom CNC stuff is tremendously rewarding and fun to work with. I haven't built a 4x8 table (yet), but I've made some smaller stuff. I credit the introduction of these machines into my life with bringing me out of the deepest and longest-lasting period of mental unwellness I've ever experienced, and it'll be a real shame if this kind of hobby becomes hobbled by le…

Michigan border towns are insane for that reason. People come from as far as 6 states over for the cheap prices. On the other side of the state from Monroe lies New Buffalo. 33 dispos on a small stretch of road in a small lake town. All to bring in.. wait for it… $1.4mil in tax revenue ie basically a rounding error for even a small municipality…

https://www.wndu.com/2026/01/28/new-buffalo-residents-voice-...

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Post by enceladus06 »

torginus wrote: post #282
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People print guns and gun parts. More than you think. Now even more since metal printing is starting to become affordable. I print grip and grip attachments for my 9mms and my AR15, trigger guards, barrel clamps, etc. I also find it stupid since, as the article suggests, what kind of algorithm can you implement to do smart detection of something that could be potentially dangerous? Will it also detect negative space?…

I don't get it - afaik you can get every single part of a gun except for the lower receiver/pistol frame without any restriction - as those parts are legally defined as the 'gun' - the rest are just replacement parts. Even for those, you can get 80% finished parts for those - just drill a few holes, and file off some tidbits, and you get an almost factory-spec gun. I'm no expert on US gun law, but afaik, some states…

Exactly, but it's less effort to steal a gun or have someone else purchase a gun for you then to 3d print a gun.

But even then it's not that difficult, it's entirely possible and legal in many states to print a polymer lower for a AR15 or Glock 17. Then go buy a parts kit from PSA $450 and have fun zero background check or sales tax required as the smaller gun parts stores do not have multistate business nexuses.

It is also not difficult to 3dprint a glock switch, even though they illegal per the NFA https://3dgo.app/models/makerworld/2035005.

This is 100% virtue-signaling from politicians.

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Post by IFC_LLC »

brewdad wrote: post #301
IFC_LLC wrote: post #259

So what's next? People will re-flash their printers with an open-source firmware that won't do the checks? Who's liable in this case?

There would be a presumption of intent. Probably an "aggravated" add-on to whatever charges you might be facing. I highly doubt we would send goon squads door to door to check your firmware. Then again, given today's situation in MN, I wouldn't rule it out either.

That proves only one thing. We just have nothing to do in our lives. The tenacity of government that invents useless laws directly proportional to nothingness to do that it provides to its citizens

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Post by lostlogin »

mrguyorama wrote: post #752
SoftTalker wrote: post #699

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In the US, states elect the president, not the people individually. This is a pretty foundational element of our constitution.

Another foundational element of our constitution was denying women the right to contribute to society, and not establishing any form of succession and other blatant and stupid failures. Maybe the framers can go fuck themselves. Yet the framers quite literally told you to change what they made, so they agree.

Do you mean farmers?
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