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Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by glenstein »

throwup238 wrote: post #647
kristopolous wrote: post #581

Tyson foods and other meatpacking companies lobbied and funded RFK... Here's industry reports https://www.nationalbeefwire.com/doctors-group-applauds-comm... https://www.wattagnet.com/business-markets/policy-legislatio... And straight up lobbying groups https://www.nationalchickencouncil.org/new-dietary-guideline... https://www.meatinstitute.org/press/recommend-prioritizing-p... Lobbying groups, putting out press rel…

> grass fed, free range... Because agribusiness doesn't make money with those. Agribusiness absolutely makes money off of those. In fact they had a hilariously easy time adapting to the consumer trend because all they had to do to label a cow “free range” or “grass fed” was change the finishing stage to a lower density configuration instead of those abominable feed lots you see along highways. The first two stages, r…

>Agribusiness absolutely makes money off of those.

I took the heart of their point to be about local food infrastructure and co-ops and farmers markets, and the grass fed bring cited insofar as it was complementary to those.

You rightly note that "grass fed" beef is effectively the same as "made with* real cheese", technically true even if it's in the parts per millions, and not at all a signal of authenticity it might seem to be at first glance. But I feel like this is all a detour from their point about local food infrastructure.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by kristopolous »

stef25 wrote: post #692
kristopolous wrote: post #581

Tyson foods and other meatpacking companies lobbied and funded RFK... Here's industry reports https://www.nationalbeefwire.com/doctors-group-applauds-comm... https://www.wattagnet.com/business-markets/policy-legislatio... And straight up lobbying groups https://www.nationalchickencouncil.org/new-dietary-guideline... https://www.meatinstitute.org/press/recommend-prioritizing-p... Lobbying groups, putting out press rel…

It's crazy how people are incapable of seeing something positive in the actions of the tribe they don't belong to.

If you think I'm a Democrat or part of any party, you don't know me.

I'm virulently anti-tribalistic and it's hurt me professionally, socially and romantically my whole life. Trust me, I've got nobody. It's a big problem.

So yeah, the tribal claim, that's just you. You're just talking about yourself

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by mark_l_watson »

While the over-arc of this message is good (avoid packaged and processed food) I personally don’t like the advice that these are not top tier foods: non-GMO organic whole wheat (i.e., not soaked with pesticides), brown rice, and other pesticide-free whole grains —- all in moderation.

I also don’t like the emphasis on meat protein. Small amounts of meat protein a few times a week are definitely healthy for most people, but organic (not soaked in pesticides) beans, lentils, etc. are almost certainly a healthy way to consume extra protein.

I sense the ugly hand of the meat industry in realfood.gov. I think if more people understood how (especially) chickens and pigs are tortured in meat production, it would help people who are addicted to excess meat cut back on their consumption to just what they need for good health.

EDIT: the documentary movie The Game Changers (2018) is an excellent source of information. The scenes interviewing huge muscular vegetarian NFL football players really put the lie to the ‘must have meat’ addicts. That said, I still think small amounts of meat protein are very healthy for most people.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by mlrtime »

NPC82 wrote: post #761
hiQloIQ wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No reason to believe their numbers either given the shenanigans they have engaged in. We need to be smart and not knee jerk into feel good memes though. Local gardens and community gardens have higher resource use per acre than large farm ops. Commercial farm infrastructure is far more resilient and lasts longer while consumer gardening gear is cheap and disposable. Consumer gardening gear manufacturers factories bur…

The value of smaller gardens are not measured in the produce harvested but the knowledge sowed. Many are federally funded at schools, community centers, or local libraries to serve as outdoor classrooms.

That's great, but they cannot feed a nation 100% or even close for long periods of time.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by kaonwarb »

NewJazz wrote: post #583
kaonwarb wrote: post #224

I appreciate the nod to whole milk, which has been repeatedly shown to be associated with _lower_ obesity in children. E.g. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31851302/ , many other studies.

What other sources do you have besides that one observational study?

This is a meta-analysis of 28 studies. "Of 5862 reports identified by the search, 28 met the inclusion criteria: 20 were cross-sectional and 8 were prospective cohort."

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by christophilus »

throw7 wrote: post #294

This is a good reset. I just imagine if this was put out by a Democrat white house, the republicans would be blowing a gasket.

Probably, though the horseshoe thing is real. This is one subject on which my liberal and conservative friends have a lot of overlap.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by epolanski »

rascul wrote: post #628
epolanski wrote: post #572

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> I don't understand people freaking out over this Personally I'm not a fan of any diet that recommends high meat consumption and I say that as someone who eats everything. Cattle outweighs the total livestock on this planet by a 10 to 1 factor. While governments pretend to do stuff for the environment, they seem to always ignore the extreme cost on the environment and pollution caused by cattle. Even focusing on CO2…

> Cattle outweighs the total livestock on this planet by a 10 to 1 factor. It seems odd not to include cattle in total livestock.

The point is to emphasize that there's more cows on this planet using more resources than all of the other animals combined (excluding fish and water mammals).

You could add all the squirrels, elephants, lions, cats, birds, all of those, and you're not even at a fraction of mass of the cows we grow.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by y-curious »

kristopolous wrote: post #802
stef25 wrote: post #692

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's crazy how people are incapable of seeing something positive in the actions of the tribe they don't belong to.

If you think I'm a Democrat or part of any party, you don't know me. I'm virulently anti-tribalistic and it's hurt me professionally, socially and romantically my whole life. Trust me, I've got nobody. It's a big problem. So yeah, the tribal claim, that's just you. You're just talking about yourself

> positive change happens

> “Goshdangit why did arbiter of change get lobbied by [tangential cartel]?”

I don’t think it’s a good take, although I won’t go so far as to accuse you of political bias. It’s not like the guidelines say to eat Tyson-branded chicken; Let’s not complain about positive progress.

You know what got the flawed food pyramid created? Lobbying by Seventh Day Adventists. That did not get enough outrage as it hurt countless people in ways that are difficult to quantify. They made fat and meat the enemy across the country because of their religious beliefs. They paid off researchers and even had one claim that Coca Cola was healthier than steak.

Let’s focus on forward progress and not how we got there.

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