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Re: Linux is good now

#801

When do we ever say Nintendo is good now because it plays Sony titles? Why are you holding computing to the same standard? I'm curious as a non-gamer. The article seems to be entirely about Windows gaming.

> When do we ever say Nintendo is good now because it plays Sony titles?

If it did, we would.

> Why are you holding computing to the same standard?

What?

> The article seems to be entirely about Windows gaming.

It is. It'd be weird if it wasn't.

Re: Linux is good now

#802
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Did you use the proprietary AMD drivers? You need to use the open source drivers. As far as I know these should be the default on all distros, so just click through the OS installer, install Steam, and start gaming. Don't touch the drivers.

In my most recent attempt to use AMD, my problems were: 1. I needed to install a bleeding-edge kernel version in order to get support for the very new AMD card I had purchased, which was a bit of a pain on Debian. (With NVidia, the latest drivers will support the latest hardware on older kernels just fine.) 2. AMD can't support HDMI 2.1 in their open source drivers. Not their fault -- it's a shitty decision by the HD…

Oh yeah, those are just problems you learn to live with. I guess these are as obvious to me as the Nvidia problems are to you.

Re: Linux is good now

#803

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AFAIK this comes down a lot to NVIDIA not doing enough efforts for the Linux drivers. There is a pretty well documented and understood reason for the perf hit NVIDIA GPUs get on Linux. Honestly, considering where we came from, a 10-30% perf drop is good and is a reasonable tradeoff to consider. Especially for all the people that don't want to touch Windows 11 with a 11-foot pole (which I am), it's a more than decent…

To each their own, but Windows 11 runs flawlessly on my machine with high-end specs and a 240 Hz monitor. The Start menu works great with no lag, even immediately after booting. The only thing that I consider annoying would be the 'Setup' screens that sometimes show up after bigger updates. --- Would I trade it all to get on Bazzite DX: - lower game compatibility and potential bugs - subpar NVIDIA drivers with the ri…

The start menu worked 30 years ago on a 32mb of RAM and a box of scraps.

Re: Linux is good now

#804

(cue arrogance) People on HackerNews complaining about Linux Desktop is pretty disappointing. You guys are supposed to be the real enthusiasts... you can make it work. (cue superiority complex) I've been using Linux Desktop for over 10 years. It's great for literally everything. Gaming admittedly is like 8/10 for compatibility, but I just use a VM with PCIe passthrough to pass in a gpu and to load up a game for windo…

I remember when I first started reading HN how disappointed I was to see so many comments shitting on Linux and/or FOSS. I was kind of shocked because this is exactly the group that should be evangelizing this stuff. At the end of the day I realized I’m willing to put up with some inconvenience in exchange for freedom, but most people just aren’t.

The amount of hate spewed at FOSS is astounding really. People are literally giving you shit for free. Chill out.

Re: Linux is good now

#805
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"window positions not restoring at application start" Well you see, you are actually just silly for wanting this or asking for this, because it's actually just a security flaw...or something. I will not elaborate further.

Thats not true. You are mistaking allowing the application itself to set window position, which obviously is a security flaw.

Is it sarcasm?

Re: Linux is good now

#806

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AFAIK this comes down a lot to NVIDIA not doing enough efforts for the Linux drivers. There is a pretty well documented and understood reason for the perf hit NVIDIA GPUs get on Linux. Honestly, considering where we came from, a 10-30% perf drop is good and is a reasonable tradeoff to consider. Especially for all the people that don't want to touch Windows 11 with a 11-foot pole (which I am), it's a more than decent…

>a 10-30% perf drop is good and is a reasonable tradeoff to consider You are either trolling or completely out of your mind. You simply cannot be serious when saying stuff like this.

I'm not. The situation is improving rapidly, and I'd expect the gap to close soon.

I still have the windows install. And with an RTX 3090, framerate is not that much of a consideration for most games, especially since my main monitor is "only" 1440p, albeit a 144Hz one.

Couple that with GSync, framerate fluctuations is not really noticeable. Gone are the days where dipping below 60Hz is a no-no. The most important metric is stutter and 1% lows, those will really affect the feeling of your game. My TV is 120Hz with GSync too, and couch games with a controller are much less sensitive to framerate.

Do I leave performance on the table? Surely. Do I care? In the short term, no. The last GPU intensive games I played are Hogwarts Legacy and Satisfactory, both of which can take a hit (satisfactory does not max the GPU, and Hogwarts can suffer DLSS). The next intensive game I plan on playing is GTA VI, and by this time I'd fully expect the perf gap to have closed. And the game to play fine, given how Rockstar puts care on how the performance of their games, more so with the Gabe Cube being an actual target.

In the long run, I agree this is not a "happy" compromise. I paid for that hardware dammit. But the NVIDIA situation will be solved by the time I buy a new GPU: either they completely drop out of the gaming business to focus on AI, or they fix their shit because Linux will be an actual gaming market and they can't keep giving the finger to the penguin.

Re: Linux is good now

#807
Windows is not only getting shittified, it's rotting from within. I guess in the last decade, the managers have sacrificed production capacity for production. Getting those quarterly profits up while failing to maintain the machine behind it (the people, the code)

People are gonna be forced to leave it more and more unless they make a drastic turn about

Re: Linux is good now

#808
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TVs don't support displayport, so it makes Linux PCs like the Steam Machine inferior console replacements if you want high refresh rates. A lot of TVs now support 4K/120hz with VRR, the PS5 and Xbox Series X also support those modes. (Some games support 120, but it's also used to present a 40hz image in a 120hz container to improve input latency for games that can't hit 60 at high graphics quality.)

Why don't TVs support displayport? If HDMI 2.1 support is limited, a TV with displayport sounds like an obvious choice. I thought audio might be the reason, for as far as I can tell, displayport supports that too.

> Why don't TVs support displayport?

For the same sorts of reasons that made it so for decades nearly every prebuilt PC shipped with an Intel CPU and Windows preinstalled: dirty backroom dealings. But in this case, the consortium that controls HDMI are the ones doing the dealings, rather than Intel and Microsoft.

"But Displayport doesn't implement the TV-control protocols that I use!", you say. That's totally correct, but DisplayPort has the out-of-band control channel needed to implement that stuff. If there had been any real chance of getting DisplayPort on mainstream TVs, then you'd see those protocols in the DisplayPort standard, too. As it stands now, why bother supporting something that will never, ever get used?

Also, DP -> HDMI active adapters exist. HDR is said to work all the time, and VRR often works, but it depends on the specifics of the display.

Re: Linux is good now

#810

I'm solo developing a spaceflight simulator on Linux (using the Godot engine), exporting binaries in both Linux and Windows. It turns out that I really didn't need to bother with the Linux export anyway because Steam runs the Windows version on Linux without any problems. The ONLY thing I'm still having trouble with under Linux is Steam VR on the HTC Vive. It works. Barely.

Interesting, do you think game devs in future will just target windows/proton and not bother with native Linux ports?

Ironically, win32 is the only stable API and ABI on gnu/linux
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