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Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by ethbr1 »

deaux wrote: post #735
ethbr1 wrote: post #587

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Parent was saying that most men don't understand the amount of casual sexual harassment women are subjected to in unmoderated online spaces -- much more so than men receive. Which makes me sad. Apparently Y chromosome + enculturation = prerogative to send unsolicited photos of ones genitalia to random internet strangers.

I know. Parent, along with the reply, also said that women as a result are much less active online, but that's a belief caused by a lack of grass touching. > "I know nobody that comments on online forums. Nobody would ever comment to strangers on the internet. It's too dangerous." > Most of her friends are probably women -> "Women don't comment on the internet (especially compared to men) because it's a hostile place…

I think the implied difference from upthread was that women are less active online in public, unmoderated spaces for the aforementioned reasons.

It's no surprise they often use private and/or moderated spaces instead.

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Post by duped »

crazygringo wrote: post #348
hgomersall wrote: post #80

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Search died ages ago [1]. Ads dying is a direct consequence of that. [1] https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/

> Search died ages ago You might want to let Google know that, because the number of searches on Google appears to continue to be growing massively: https://searchengineland.com/google-5-trillion-searches-per-... Those numbers look like the exact opposite of dead or dying to me. As does Google's growing stock price over the same time period.

That is good evidence that Google is dying because it takes more than one search query to find what you want.

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Post by hackmack10 »

MrSkelter wrote: post #720

Googles ad business is riddled with fraud in all levels. Google profits directly from the fraud. It has no incentive to reduce it and is embarrassed by its extent. Google is essentially overseeing a huge criminal enterprise which funds its other activities. It’s been well documented for over a decade and no one seems to care. The traffic is faked, the publishers are faked, the clicks are faked and the ad rates are ma…

Can confirm this with YouTube advertising. When enabled for growth, it's nothing but bot farms. When I reached out to Google about it, they acknowledged the unusual traffic but did nothing about it. They are running a huge fraudulent business.

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Post by cornholio »

Art9681 wrote: post #556
senthil_rajasek wrote: post #43

I think the author intended the title to be, "Google Ads is dead, Where do I promote my business now?" When I hear "Google" I assume search, oof (sigh of relief). They mention running ads on tiktok or instagram but no mention of youtube ads... Also, In my own experience for my business ( also entertainment) I have found reddit ads to be useful. So my next steps would be, Reddit Ads Youtube Ads Instagram Ads Increase…

Thank you. This is a perfect example of clickbait. I trusted the HN crowd, clicked the link, and immediately realized the trap. I'm upset at how effective it is. And also commend the author for publishing an article specifically engineered to waste the viewers time.

In truth, I have never seen a company doing such an insane 180 against it's traditional suppliers as Google is doing against the websites populating its search pages which now Google milks as mere training data. Google Search is dead, from the perspective of the websites, and there is less and less incentive to spend effort and money to appear on the first pages.

Google better have a good strategy because this is bound to have 2nd order effects down the road, like, why would I pay money for advertising on a dead internet search engine? If AI is killing organic results, then AI better make money itself, because dead websites don't buy ads.

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Post by hluska »

chrchr wrote: post #293
cookiengineer wrote: post #278

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I had a very interesting discussion with a friend today, where I was talking to her about the /r/golang thread about Rob Pike's comments to OpenAI and how the thread was full of bots talking with other bots. No idea why the density of bots was so high in that thread, it was kind of absurd to see. Then she said: "I know nobody that comments on online forums. Nobody would ever comment to strangers on the internet. It's…

But your friend is wrong. She does know at least one person who comments on online forums. I bet she knows more too.

People use analogies constantly. That was an analogy - it wasn’t meant to be taken literally.

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Post by hluska »

ravikapoor101 wrote: post #576
ethagknight wrote: post #568

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I never tell people I comment online. No one I know knows my Reddit username (as far as I know…). Few of my friends even know what HN is.

I know. In fact, millions of us know your reddit username

What a weird comment.

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Post by mmmBacon »

akoboldfrying wrote: post #329
mmmBacon wrote: post #117

I think Google’s search and ad business are at risk. Search has become such a mess that it’s become harder and harder to use to find quality results. It reminds me of Yahoo before Google in a way. I’m using ChatCPT or equivalent for 60% of my searches. The remaining 40% is just muscle memory. Of that 40% about half the time I regret using Google search due to the difficulty of finding the relevant result. I can see s…

You don't think putting ads in Gemini output has crossed Google's mind? I've never understood the "AI is eating search! Google is dead!" theory. The specific mechanism (whether that be keyword search, LLM conversation or something else) by which users describe their needs to a company doesn't matter , all that matters is that (a) the company makes that mechanism available for free, (b) it does a good job of satisfyin…

Why do you assume I don’t think that? Of course it will happen at some stage. But my comment wasn’t addressing the future, but now. Effectively ChatGPT is buying market share by not having ads; that’s clear. What’s not clear is whether there’s a more innovative model than inserting low-quality, mostly irrelevant ads into the body of the chat they way Google and YouTube do it today. In a Chat agent, advertising also will be an issue for credibility of results. So I think the ad model as we know it will need to change.

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Post by lazide »

ethbr1 wrote: post #800
lazide wrote: post #730

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Sexual harassment (having been a target of it), is pretty much the definition of ‘unwanted attention’. Targets typically just want to be left alone. It’s also a crime in some places, not (!!!) in others, or called different things in other places depending on the details. For example, is sending an unsolicited dick pic on a dating app sexual harassment? Is getting felt up at work, with the implication ‘or else’? Is b…

Sure, there are misogynistic cultures out there, but that doesn't justify it from a categorical imperative perspective. If it's okay, then it's okay for all sexes. And I'm hard-pressed to name a world culture that's equally accepting and promoting of men-sexually-harassing-women and women-sexually-harassing-men. Can you? It feels like you're trying to make this an argument about statistics, when it's an argument abou…

I never said it’s okay at all. Where are you getting that from?

Reality doesn’t particularly care about one persons idea of right or wrong. And if you look at the planet, good luck coming up with a consistent definition either.

I’m also 100% sure some random persons idea on the internet or what is moral or right has zero to do with the dynamics of dating or social interactions either.

What sort of discussion do you want this to be about?

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Post by pessimizer »

sph wrote: post #613
fennecbutt wrote: post #528

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I think some of us have a fair idea. And I think both sexes have problems that we could solve but continue to ignore. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Made_Man_(book) Still a very valid experiment. I know the source of both sex' strife though: competition. I don't think we'll ever solve that, not while we're still monkeys.

I like her take-away from this experiment: Vincent stated that, after the experiment, she gained more sympathy for the male condition: "Men are suffering. They have different problems than women have, but they don't have it better. They need our sympathy, they need our love, and they need each other more than anything else. They need to be together." I respect that, compared to the arguments that sex A is having a be…

> We’re all in the same, but different, shit.

We are not. This is the law of averages and is absolute poison. Sexism is not symmetrical. Men do not suffer from women like women suffer from men.

Norah Vincent killed herself.

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