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Re: iPhone Air

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Post by thund »

titanomachy wrote: post #726
thund wrote: post #680

Around 2000-2005 there was a race for the smallest phone with ludicrously small displays. I believe Nokia was kind of leading and “winning” the race. Then blackberry and iPhone reversed trajectory and suddenly bigger was better, and Nokia died out. I think we are on the same path here, thinner is not what I want. I want a powerhouse that can run AI for at least 48 hours on the worst conditions, a week at least in an…

You want a phone that can run an LLM for a week uninterrupted? Wouldn't that weigh like 4 lbs and require a backpack to carry around? Somehow I don't think you're the demographic Apple is interested in.

It wouldn’t weigh 4lbs if Apple invested on that research. Who really cares about this much thin phones really, Apple is out of ideas, far from revolutionary anymore. They have the hardware to run LLMs, they should invest on batteries and inference quality and consumption with SLMs, rather than delegate AI to Gemini and ChatGPT…

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by eitland »

arcane23 wrote: post #593
jdprgm wrote: post #187

Can someone that is actually interested in this explain the appeal? Thin on its own I get but thin with a giant bump 100% defeats the whole point for me. Seems clear at this point there is little hope of them engineering their way into thin cameras.

Doubt most people want it as thin as possible. This is just the phone industry running out of ideas and trying to tell people what they actually need. There's not much left to "fix" on mobile phones, and no real important features to add. Lacking that, they need something to sell the phones with, so they're going for these strange "improvements". It needs to be something that has some wow factor so they can lead with…

> There's not much left to "fix" on mobile phones, and no real important features to add.

I'm happy with my iPhone, but it still has a week or so shorter battery life than even a relatively cheap Nokia phone and with all that available space I know something it could be used for.

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by thund »

nexus7556 wrote: post #685
thund wrote: post #680

Around 2000-2005 there was a race for the smallest phone with ludicrously small displays. I believe Nokia was kind of leading and “winning” the race. Then blackberry and iPhone reversed trajectory and suddenly bigger was better, and Nokia died out. I think we are on the same path here, thinner is not what I want. I want a powerhouse that can run AI for at least 48 hours on the worst conditions, a week at least in an…

Well both of the Pro models increased their battery life. Apple isn't going just one way.

Agree, but by how much on the Pro models? Shouldn’t we expect twice the battery duration every 24 months at least?

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by askl »

creer wrote: post #167

"Impossibly thin" is right in line with Patrick McGee's "Apple in China" who argues that the main reason for Apple's designs is to keep imitators at bay by introducing manufacturing challenges that only they can meet. Indeed impossible at the time of release. One generation after the other. He estimates this gains them about 6 months of headway. Tough world. (Yes, to be fair, there is more to this new phone than just…

But on the other hand, apple seems to be the only company unable to get rid of that ugly huge notch. Everyone else improved on that years ago.

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by Findecanor »

arcane23 wrote: post #593
jdprgm wrote: post #187

Can someone that is actually interested in this explain the appeal? Thin on its own I get but thin with a giant bump 100% defeats the whole point for me. Seems clear at this point there is little hope of them engineering their way into thin cameras.

Doubt most people want it as thin as possible. This is just the phone industry running out of ideas and trying to tell people what they actually need. There's not much left to "fix" on mobile phones, and no real important features to add. Lacking that, they need something to sell the phones with, so they're going for these strange "improvements". It needs to be something that has some wow factor so they can lead with…

Here's my hot take: A small metal loop for tying a wrist strap to.

All other cameras have wrist straps as a safety feature. From flimsy ribbons on the smallest (smartphone-sized) to padded leather on the largest. They were common on feature phones too. But smartphone makers want people to drop their phones, so people would have to buy new ones, I suppose.

You could get a case with a wrist loop, you say? Not on any of Apple's cases, anyway.

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by leakyfilter »

marhee wrote: post #800

If this thinnest iphone air has 27 hours of video playback, why does the regular iphone 17, which looks twice as thick only has 30 hours? At this point, I just want long battery life. Like an "all-week" battery life would be a nice start.

they are mostly likely using a higher density battery in the air, at least that's what the rumors suggest

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by eemil »

If you're going to do a phone-width camera bump, at least make it flat so I can put my phone down without it wobbling. Apple's bump on a bump is the worst of both worlds.

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by port11 »

nakamoto_damacy wrote: post #465

I have an iPhone 13 mini, just replaced the battery. If you want my money, give me an iPhone 17 mini with small width and height, I don't care about it being thinner like the Air. Also, no AI ruining the image quality of the expensive camera. I saw examples of a consumer-grade digital camera vs an iPhone 16 and the latter introduced "hotdog skin" effect and other effects that made the photos look over-processed.

I had the 12 mini. Perfect size, but awful battery life due to how thin they decided to make it. Give me a mini with more than half-day battery life and I'll queue on release day.

Stop. Making. Things. Thinner.

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by teekert »

jdprgm wrote: post #187

Can someone that is actually interested in this explain the appeal? Thin on its own I get but thin with a giant bump 100% defeats the whole point for me. Seems clear at this point there is little hope of them engineering their way into thin cameras.

They sacrificed size for battery life, just like with the mini models, just in another dimension. Since the minis were cancelled I expect this model to undergo the same fate. Maybe it's just an experiment? Call it an A-B test.

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by jl6 »

I get the thinness. My current iPhone is perfectly thin enough on its own, but when you add a case… yeah, the whole package could stand to be thinner. Not sure if that is achieved given the bump.
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