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We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by PeterStuer »

stdvit wrote: post #97

> Even in a world brimming with easy distractions—TikTok, Pornhub, Candy Crush, Sudoku—people still manage to meet for drinks, work out at the gym, go on dates, muddle through real life. They actually don't. Everything from dating and fitness to manufacturing and politics is in decline in activities, and more so in effect and understanding. You can't convince (enough) people anymore that it is even important as many…

A good fitness membership is outside of the reach of many young people. Not that they could not afford it at all, but it would be a serious expense not taken lightly.

Same for restaurant and bar bills, or catching a film. Not like the old days where you could go out drinking with your friends each evening by just having a light student job and some summer work.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by rvba »

NoLinkToMe wrote: post #790
IgorPartola wrote: post #142

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I’d like to offer an alternative explanation than AI to this. Shit is just too damn expensive. If you want to go hang out with friends it will cost you $4-8 for a cup of coffee. A dinner starts at $50/person. A trip to an amusement park is over $100 easily. The median individual income in the US currently is just over $65k/year or about $32.50/hour. That means half the workforce makes less than that. When an 8oz cock…

This isn't really borne out by the statistics. Real median personal income has been trending up for a century now, the longest dips (before an upwards trend would ensue) were periods of 5 years of mild deterioration. [0] It also doesn't sit well with my personal anecdata. My life and that of my friends is way better than their parents. I've literally travelled to all major continents in the world for recreational tra…

I think most people dont meet in houses anymore. Perhaps because they have roommates? And yes I know people in the past had them too.

On a side, a thread full of 600k per year FAANG programmers writing that life is easy for everyone is incredibly ironic.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by saagarjha »

eastbound wrote: post #639
matheusmoreira wrote: post #615

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They also resist having children so they will not be resisting immigration for long.

Why ever would you compare children and immigration? I love my parents and I’d have solidarity for my country fellows (France here). Immigrants don’t generally earn much, let alone work legally and pay taxes. They are not paying our retirement. They require doctors and produce our “medical deserts” (the name we use in France where social security fails because of lack of practicians). They also wouldn’t fight for us…

Islam, of course, is not you. It is the "other".

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by HaZeust »

0points wrote: post #793
HaZeust wrote: post #578

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"Me? Having sex from the IRC days?! Oh, don't you worry, I had sex ."

I was pointing out that besides parent being a 90s incel, there were other ways of life. So sorry that triggered another incel /s

inb4 "AAAAAAAAAA I'm *TRIGGERED*"

Just thought your answer was funny, carry on without ego!

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by saagarjha »

fakedang wrote: post #772
Hoasi wrote: post #365

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> When mall is called a public space... Public space situation is really sad. Absolutely, but still, that is a reality in many cities. They are places where "going to the mall" is the main form of entertainment left.

Ironic that the US is embracing Middle Eastern culture (specifically the Gulf countries). Honestly it's funny when Americans criticize cities like Doha and Dubai for being lacklustre and cultureless when most American tier-2 cities and towns are boring af. I've been told in some towns and suburbs that the best thing to do for leisure was to visit the local Walmart.

I don't think Doha or Dubai are "tier 2" cities of the Middle East.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by advael »

Nathanba wrote: post #335
egypturnash wrote: post #295

It's not going to solve loneliness. It's just going to provide a weak substitute for actual socialization. Talking with actual humans but only over the internet is not enough, I have been there and it was a terrible trap, it provided just enough to make it possible for me to avoid physical socialization, while not giving me enough to actually thrive; we need to get out and be in the same place with other people, doin…

Real humans are also fake and they are also traps who are waiting to catch you when you say something they don't like. Then they also use every word and piece of information as ammunition against you, ironically sort of similar to the criticism always levied against online platforms who track you and what you say. AI robots are going to easily replace real humans because compared to most real humans the AI is already…

This view of social interaction seems symptomatic of internet socialization, specifically social media. Since engagement is often driven better by controversy, the overall incentives in that context make an experience like yours more likely. Similarly, LLM providers who offer a public-facing chat service tend to be incentivized to tune their models to foment addiction. While people can indeed treat each other awfully sometimes, I think you could benefit a lot from seeking out specifically in-person interactions, perhaps in a context with a shared activity that can take some of the edge off of direct interpersonal engagement

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by andriesm »

"... of Silicon Valley billionaires whose creativity consists mostly of appropriating other people’s"

Are certain university departments stacked with people who think this way?

Have they spent any time anywhere near any super successful tech people? I mean, BEFORE jumping to conclusions I would label as rather obnoxious unsubstantiated slanderous opinions about a whole class of people. (They're tech billionaires, so f them right ?)

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by zwnow »

xtracto wrote: post #164
stdvit wrote: post #97

> Even in a world brimming with easy distractions—TikTok, Pornhub, Candy Crush, Sudoku—people still manage to meet for drinks, work out at the gym, go on dates, muddle through real life. They actually don't. Everything from dating and fitness to manufacturing and politics is in decline in activities, and more so in effect and understanding. You can't convince (enough) people anymore that it is even important as many…

I'm a 44 yo Xenial, not too old, not young. That is, I'm part of the "walkman generation" . It surprises me how people are less and less open to socialize, to the point that some even see you with disgust if you DARE to interrupt them from.their mobile phone trance. Society nowadays is pretty ugly. Younger generations seem very isolationist to me.

A lot of people are simply insufferable so I dont even try to make new friends. I've got a relatively big circle of old time friends and I'll keep it at that. Im a lot younger than you but I cant deal with TikTok brains same goes for right wing retards or people who believe in religions or other esoteric stuff. It's not easy to meet people with actual intellect

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by HPsquared »

986aignan wrote: post #696
kiba wrote: post #673

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It's the land and other non-reproducible privileges, not all form of wealth. The imbalance is not between capital and labor, but land. Land can be in the form of copyright, patents, even domain names, the orbitals in the sky, the electromagnetic spectrum. Capital can be used to produce more capital, but you cannot produce more land, more electromagnetic spectrum, more orbitals, etc. The housing crisis is a restrictio…

At some point, I would imagine the distinction between capital and land becomes blurry, though. Economic rent can be had from either if the barrier to competition is high enough. Domain names are a good example, because as skissane said, you could just make another DNS root. The trouble is convincing people (browsers) to use it. The problem in attempting to overturn Facebook isn't mainly the coding, either, but havin…

In the same way, you could build a new city somewhere. Land is expensive near cities.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by HPsquared »

varjag wrote: post #798
anovikov wrote: post #788

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Isn't housing exactly the most accessible of all the world save for 2-3 totalitarian countries like Oman, in the United States? According to the Numbeo data exactly. It also has nothing to do with labor vs capital. Billionaires don't invest (much) in housing. Sometimes they do invest in commercial real estate, but never into housing. It's the middle class who buys up everything - now almost exclusively in cash - and…

Yep. It's kind of like with gas prices: Americans, with some of the world's lowest prices complain the loudest. Which appears to point out that the maladies discussed here have less of an economic nature but more of social/psychological/technological.

Maybe the complaining is what keeps the prices low.
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