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Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Post by salawat »

dcow wrote: post #709
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The intent of the ISO spec is to allow you to request fine-grained data, like birth year only, but if you read the W3C standard, they explicitly call out privacy as a complex thing that maybe should be regulated. Aren't the regulations the problem here? If not for that nobody would be getting pressured to divulge this personal information to every shady app and website in the first place. Suppose I want to make a s…

Are you arguing that we should not regulate porn, alcohol, and cigarettes? Or that we shouldn’t have digital ways to do the regulating we’ve been doing for decades? If the discussion was a question of whether to regulate or not, I’d see more where you’re coming from. But the discussion is about how to effectively respond to the enforcement of existing laws now against websites. Society has grown up and we’re not comf…

>Society has grown up and we’re not comfortable giving the internet a pass because digital identity is hard.

I'm not comfortable giving society digital identity, because being a human and not abusing the primitive is even harder still. And we can't take it back once we've built it. It's just there for every wannabe despot to start building systems of oppression with. And there's an awful lot of them running around with the "best of intentions" to line the way to hell.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Post by amelius »

al_borland wrote: post #10

All these ID check laws are out of hand. Parents are expecting the government, and random websites, to raise their kids. Why would anyone trust some random blog with their ID? If these laws move forward (and I don’t think they should), there needs to be a way to authenticate as over 18 without sending picture of your ID off to random 3rd parties, or giving actual personal details. I don’t want to give this data, and…

I think the majority of people on HN are well aware of this. The big question is how to transfer this simple idea to the people in charge at governments.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Post by mdavid626 »

jekwoooooe wrote: post #180
rpmisms wrote: post #144

On a sociological level: good. I personally believe that easy-access porn has been detrimental to society.

It really hasn’t and there’s absolutely no evidence to support this at all

So you're saying that human relationships in our society are working really well, have no problems and should continue without changes?

Porn is one of the big contributors to many negative effects we see today. Seeing how many problems porn sites cause, I say should be banned immediately.

Of course, people watching porn/addicted to it, won't want it to go away. Similar to drug addicts don't want drugs to be banned.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Post by imtringued »

djeastm wrote: post #421
xp84 wrote: post #27

So, while I agree that this feels foreign and wrong to me as someone who has experienced "The Internet" for so long, I can't help but wonder if we can separate that from how the offline world works. I'm asking this in good faith. Given that: 1. The Internet is not an optional subscription service today the way it was in 1995. Every kid and adult has 1,000 opportunities to get online including on the multiple devices…

RE Point 1. All it takes is one of those other peers' parents to allow them to view pornography and then that kid just becomes the porn-distributor for the school, just like some kids in my day passed around porno mags. In essence, nothing changes for the kids, but every single adult is at best inconvenienced and at worst at risk of government invasion of their privacy. Not worth doing, imo. RE Point 2. They could ju…

Yeah this is the thing everyone here seems to ignore. The moment someone does age verification and downloads a file the whole thing falls apart.

You would have to lock down any electronics device that can be used to bypass the restrictions. In reality the best way to do this is to build a screen based nudity filter into the device, which is not only more effective, it exposes this whole nonsense as an attempt to grow the police state.

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Post by tomhow »

useless_eater wrote: post #62
olivermuty wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With random lawsuits as a sort of offhand censorship of ..?? Its the parents job to curate access to the inernet. I say that as a father of three.

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Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Post by Fraterkes »

Asooka wrote: post #415
Fraterkes wrote: post #311

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Come one man, it would be trivial for me to credibly argue that your religion has given scores of young men an absolutely dysfunctional relation to sexuality, woman, their own body, etc. Anyone could make that case as easily as your case about pornography (arguably with more proof in my case). Should we legislate both the same way?

Yes, but "his religion" is over 2000 years old and has found ways to reform itself many times to re-centre itself towards the core teachings of Jesus Christ, namely compassion and piety. The Christians who sold indulgencies are not the Christians who burned witches are not the Christians who help those in need. It has existed for twenty centuries across continents and anyone who can corrupt it effectively wields the…

I was pointing out that similar arguments could be made about the “badness” of both religion and porn to show that these arguments are facetious in both cases

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Post by Fraterkes »

scoofy wrote: post #332
Fraterkes wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is "this was restricted for centuries" a moral rule of thumb you use consistently? What's your opinion about gay rights, woman's suffrage?

I’m a liberal. I generally agree with the principle, not the premise. My point again is that these “rights” you’re talking about are built on our social contract. There is no premise that “porn is free speech,” in fact, quite the opposite, again, for centuries. The existence of porn on the internet was the result of legislation, not right. That legislation is changing, we need to organize to make sure it remains lega…

I don’t think you’ve argued your point very clearly: the examples I listed have also only been part of our social contract for a very short time (and are routinely under fire by the same people trying to ban porn). Also: people have distributed some version of porn for centuries (millenia?).

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Post by ndriscoll »

Retric wrote: post #673
ndriscoll wrote: post #619

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Concretely, what would I be trying to allow in Japan? Don't they mostly communicate in Japanese anyway? The US has things like local government, schools, businesses, clubs, organizations, etc. Because the US is where we live. That makes it inconvenient to default block the US. Australia has what that is relevant to us? I don't see any .au in my browser history. Or .jp. Or .ca. There is some ac.uk, granted, but t…

I assume you buy some non US products and many .com address are hosted outside the US by non US companies. Gigabyte.com for example makes a great deal of computer parts like graphics cards and it’s hosted at 103.130.100.144 which geolocates to Taiwan, Province of China. bmw.com 160.46.226.165 Germany Now some of them will route US users to US servers to lower their ping, but that’s an added expense that not everyone…

That's still not giving a concrete reason. Why would I need to access gigabyte.com? I can't even buy their products there; I'd have to buy them on something like Amazon. Firmware updates? If it works I'm not going to change it. If it doesn't, I'm going to return it. If products try to reach out to their manufacturers on their own that's twice the reason to default block as much as you can.

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Post by xg15 »

kelnos wrote: post #194
xp84 wrote: post #27

So, while I agree that this feels foreign and wrong to me as someone who has experienced "The Internet" for so long, I can't help but wonder if we can separate that from how the offline world works. I'm asking this in good faith. Given that: 1. The Internet is not an optional subscription service today the way it was in 1995. Every kid and adult has 1,000 opportunities to get online including on the multiple devices…

Flip it on its head. An age verification requirement might stop your 12-year-old from accessing a porn site headquartered or hosted in the US, but it will do nothing to keep your kid from finding porn on any of the thousands (tens of thousands? more?) of websites hosted in various other countries who don't care about this sort of thing. These sites are (or will be, if US-based sites become inaccessible) just as easy…

> The other is to accept that your kids will sometimes see things that you don't want them to see. That's how the world has always worked, and will continue to always work. Be there for them to provide context and support when they run across these things by accident and are confused or upset, and punish when they seek it out against the rules and boundaries you've set for them. You know... be a parent, and parent them.

Would you say the same about drugs?

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Post by MasanskY01 »

The land of the free. Where every moron can get and use a firearm and the rest of the world only knows the country even has educational institutes because of all the school shootings. But let's outlaw trans, drags and writings for the poor religious conservative inbreds in the South. Because that's the real danger in the world now. Yikes
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