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Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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Post by beepbooptheory »

bearjaws wrote: post #771
mark_l_watson wrote: post #754

A liberal Israeli friend has told me on a few occasions that Iran is one of the safest places in the Middle East for Christians and Jews to live, work, and raise families as long as they don’t publicly protest against the Iranian government. I have no way of knowing if my friend is correct about this, but with the conflicting news broadcasts in the USA the situation is as confusing as hell. Off topic, but I have star…

That is an absurd take. Your friend's statement, that religious minorities in Iran are safe as long as they don't protest, is basically like a situation of domestic abuse. An abuser might claim their partner is free and happy, as long as they follow the rules and don't speak out. The home may appear peaceful to outsiders, but this "peace" is maintained through fear, control, and the constant threat of violence for an…

As opposed to what though? Serious protests are always met with threats of violence. We had snipers pointed at us just the other day as we marched over here in the USA. I have seen, in person, reporters beaten, passerbys bleeding out on the street, I've had my entire neighborhood bombed with gas...

Perhaps you have a point but it can only be one of degree! Or perhaps we can try to think of a single state that does not maintain itself through violence?

Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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Post by UncleMeat »

huhtenberg wrote: post #643
jameslk wrote: post #508

This is not the end. This is the beginning of another Iraq war, set up exactly the same way: claiming, with dubious proof, an imminent risk from weapons of mass destruction. Iran’s options here are to bomb US bases, which are a lot closer by, mine the Strait of Hormuz, blow up oil infrastructure in nearby countries who are harboring US bases. This might risk Iran a much larger war but the alternative of doing nothing…

Change of the Iran regime would help lessening the risk of a prolonged war. From what can be glanced from the news seeping through it seems that the population has been largely ready for it for a while now.

We changed the regime in both Afghanistan and Iraq. That worked great at preventing a prolonged war.

This "oh the Iranians actually want to be bombed" stuff is absolutely nonsense.

Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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Post by password54321 »

ozgrakkurt wrote: post #639

All the discussion about who is right, wo would win etc. aside. Israel should be a big wakeup call to muslim countries. With so little population and surrounded by so many hostile countries, they manage to be so strong and be able to defend themselves. It is a big shame that many muslim countries are under dysfunctional governments and struggling to make progress so they can’t even protect themselves. Personally I do…

The counterbalance is Turkey at the moment. Saudi Arabia seems to be a careful observer much more interested in business than military conquest and much of the rest of the middle east is already crippled.

Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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Post by luckylion »

v5v3 wrote: post #721

I am confused. Iran knew USA would come along one day, and they knew the max capability of the bombs they would drop. So why did they not go a lot deeper/reinforce to a level where the b52 payloads cannot reach.

The GBU-57A started service in 2011. Fordow was completed in 2006, Natanz somewhere before 2002, so there's a good chance they did not know that kind of bomb would be available.

While they could've said "let's just assume there will be something X times stronger than anything known", it would also have increase the price to build these facilities by a factor of X+Y.

I'm no expert, but I imagine once you have your centrifuges up and running, you don't want to continue setting of blasts nearby to add another sub-level to your plant.

Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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Post by jmyeet »

password54321 wrote: post #800

The pattern continues. Continue to create a power vacuum in the middle east, leaving the two military heavyweights: Israel and Turkey to take over. The question is when will the inevitable clash between them happen?

Oh, that's an easy question. It will never happen. Why? Because they're both US puppets in the region.

You can't look at what the leaders of these countries say. You look at what they do. Turkey's population, for example, is extremely sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians. Erdogan will even get up there and bang the drums about Israel's evils. But that's just to placate the populace. In reality, he's done absolutely nothing when he could fatally wound Israel if he so chose.

There are allegations Erdogan's family (his son, specifically) is still doing business with Israel. Israel and Turkey have largely cooperated with the collapse of Syria. Both regimes simply cannot exist without material support, arms specifically, from the US.

What could turkey do? Cut off Israel's energy imports. IIRC ~40% of Israel's energy comes from Azerbijan from a pipeline that transits Turkey. Erdogan could absolutely shut it off if he wanted to. That would absolutely cripple Israel.

But he doesn't. Because he's not actually opposed to Israel.

Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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Post by edanm »

Findecanor wrote: post #732
tptacek wrote: post #23

I think Netanyahu belongs in prison, and Trump, the less said the better, but: couldn't have happened to a nicer unauthorized weapons-grade uranium enrichment facility dug into the side of a mountain hours outside of population centers. If you haven't already, I highly recommend reading up on the GBU-57 "bunker buster" bomb, because it is some Merrie Melodies Acme brand munitions. It's deliberately as heavy as they c…

> I think Netanyahu belongs in prison For those who didn't know: There are multiple charges of corruption against him, which he is probably guilty of. But as long as he can lead Israel in a state of emergency, he can have those delayed, or perhaps even work around them. This new war against Iran also diverts attention away from what is happening in Gaza. The starvation has entered a new critical phase. The populace h…

> But as long as he can lead Israel in a state of emergency, he can have those delayed, or perhaps even work around them.

Well, that's kind of true. The Iran war has certainly stopped proceedings against Netanyahu, because the courts are shut down - along with much of the country.

That said, this can't last much because the economy is completely shut down, and the trials against him were ongoing, eve amidst the Gaza war.

So he can't just indefinitely put off the trial against him.

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Post by badpun »

tptacek wrote: post #23

I think Netanyahu belongs in prison, and Trump, the less said the better, but: couldn't have happened to a nicer unauthorized weapons-grade uranium enrichment facility dug into the side of a mountain hours outside of population centers. If you haven't already, I highly recommend reading up on the GBU-57 "bunker buster" bomb, because it is some Merrie Melodies Acme brand munitions. It's deliberately as heavy as they c…

> unauthorized weapons-grade uranium enrichment facility

Who authorized Manhattan Project?

Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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Post by saagarjha »

bearjaws wrote: post #771
mark_l_watson wrote: post #754

A liberal Israeli friend has told me on a few occasions that Iran is one of the safest places in the Middle East for Christians and Jews to live, work, and raise families as long as they don’t publicly protest against the Iranian government. I have no way of knowing if my friend is correct about this, but with the conflicting news broadcasts in the USA the situation is as confusing as hell. Off topic, but I have star…

That is an absurd take. Your friend's statement, that religious minorities in Iran are safe as long as they don't protest, is basically like a situation of domestic abuse. An abuser might claim their partner is free and happy, as long as they follow the rules and don't speak out. The home may appear peaceful to outsiders, but this "peace" is maintained through fear, control, and the constant threat of violence for an…

To extend this admittedly awful analogy domestic abuse can be preferable to being murdered.

Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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Post by mathgradthrow »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #754

A liberal Israeli friend has told me on a few occasions that Iran is one of the safest places in the Middle East for Christians and Jews to live, work, and raise families as long as they don’t publicly protest against the Iranian government. I have no way of knowing if my friend is correct about this, but with the conflicting news broadcasts in the USA the situation is as confusing as hell. Off topic, but I have star…

it seems to be a pretty safe place to be mossad.
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