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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

mmooss wrote: post #542
shihab wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NYT's Executive Editor Joe Kahn is the son of a billionaire who was on the board of lobby group CAMERA, a group devoted to pressuring US media to be more pro-Israel.

Just rumors and conspiracy theories. Where can we see evidence of what you claim? What do you claim Kahn has done? Do you have evidence? The NY Times regulary publishes news critical of Israel. Children and parents, siblings, etc. disagree, sometimes extremely, regularly. Children and parents disagreeing is one of the most common stories in humanity. Should Joe resign because of dad's activities?

> Where can we see evidence of what you claim?

This is not only a reasonable question, but it is a good one, too. Unfortunately, the line beforehand:

> Just rumors and conspiracy theories.

...makes it seem like you've already made up your mind, and makes it difficult to interpret your post as a good-faith attempt on your part to learn something new from someone.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

hsuduebc2 wrote: post #659
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #595

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> Israelis are not abruptly incompetent and culturally allergic to progress, with a predictable habit of grovelling to whichever tyrant comes next I can't tell what you mean by this? Is it sarcasm? Is there another group who is like this?

Oh, I see. The parent comment was referring to russia, but the replies got so long that it's hardly noticeable. I should have mentioned it."

Still not sure what you mention. Hard to say that Israelis don't grovel to whatever tyrant comes next when they are currently ruled by a tyrant who would rather endanger his citizens and commit war crimes than gold and election he knows he'll lose. Also they have elected him over and over again despite how he endangers them and funded their current biggest enemy Hamas, in a cynical ploy to weaken his more moderate opposition at the time, the PA

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

Ray20 wrote: post #728
spencerflem wrote: post #352

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They are now denying visas, and deporting lawful residents, sending them to offshore torture prisons, for social media posts. For non citizens, regardless of length of time or legality, this is the case right now. For birthright citizens and full citizens it will be the case very soon

I think it's disgusting hypocrisy. We're talking about the USA, aren't we? A country that has started many, many wars, a country that massacred innocent Vietnamese, Afghans, Iraqis. Even at this very moment, the US is participating in the killing of honest, decent, innocent Palestinians and Russians. But that's okay, not worth mentioning. But deporting lawful residents? How dare you, America? This is definitely the b…

Well yeah we’re bad and getting much worse

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

ethbr1 wrote: post #361
bcrosby95 wrote: post #263

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Yes, that is where my quote came from. From your own quote: > The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs. Which is such a ridiculously bullshit line of thought. This wasn't some person who willingly went to some random country, this is someone the executive illegally put there against the person's will in coordinati…

I'm not sure why people obtusely intepret Supreme Court rulings as though they're part of the current administration. The court is obviously saying that (1) it's correct and necessary to bring him back but that (2) the District Court doesn't have unbridled authority to order any foreign policy-influencing remedy it wants. I.e. a US court couldn't order a president to sign a treaty If the administration tries to foot…

They're already disobeying the court, including both the lower court's order and the supreme court's order to attempt repatriation, as well as the lower court's order to provide information on the victim's location and attempts to retrieve him. They disobeyed numerous court orders to rehire people they fired and re-fund things they defunded.

What makes you think the administration cares about goodwill after that? Disobeying direct court orders is crossing the Rubicon. There's no going back to the illusion that judicial judgements will be respected by this administration.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

mkolodny wrote: post #397
rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #329

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I don't think this is necessarily an issue of censorship so much as it is highlighting that Facebook is clearly a fucking news publisher and should be treated as such under the law. It's time to revoke section 230 for any social media network that amplifies or buries content with a non-transparent process. In this case it isn't even merely an algorithm designed by humans. They have LITERAL human editors choosing whic…

Are you saying you think human editors handpick what goes on billions of people’s Facebook feeds?

Wait but if you perform an extremely complex method of algorithmic curation, at some point isn’t the human designing the algorithm becoming an editor?

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

jl6 wrote: post #670
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #615

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>This is a conspiracy theory Doesn't meet the criteria of what people typically call a conspiracy theory. It's easily verified or debunked by amateurs with publicly available information, it doesn't seem absurd on its face, and it makes no claims other than those of association (certainly none of blatant felony, coup, or world domination).

> no claims other than those of association Yeah but that’s how modern conspiracy theories work. They have evolved beyond the old staples like flat earth and moon landing stuff which make clear statements. They instead just insinuate. And that’s enough to achieve the intended effect: to move your predispositions, while remaining immune to debunking because they haven’t made any specific claim.

>Yeah but that’s how modern conspiracy theories work. T

That is indeed how modern conspiracy theories work. They make outlandish claims that aren't supported by scientific fact, that some shadowy group controls the world through improbable means, and offer no evidence.

"Hey, these two groups are awfully cozy together" just isn't even close to being anything like a conspiracy theory. You've stretched your fallacious counter-argument too far.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by yibg »

ipv6ipv4 wrote: post #792
yibg wrote: post #538

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I don't know, I'm not part of those groups. But my automatic assumption isn't they're a bunch of antisemites or hamas supporters.

This is not hard. In what contexts do Jews come up in your circle of friends?

In my personal circle Jews don’t come up but Palestine and Israel certainly do. Why? Because 1) they were in the news and we discuss current events and 2) being in the tech industry Israel comes up frequently. Why is this an issue?

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by Retric »

baq wrote: post #794
Retric wrote: post #700

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Free speech including paid speech isn’t really a knock on free speech. Someone can be persuaded by an argument they heard once, but can’t per persuaded by an argument they never hear. Thus blocking speech by preventing any kind of speech including paid speech is problematic.

I’m saying ‘free speech is an obvious weakness’, not ‘we should disallow free speech’. Very different things.

Having outside actors in the conversation is a strength.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

elcritch wrote: post #396
empath75 wrote: post #305

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> As in that seems like there isn't a "large number". --- > “But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately afte…

Poignant quote. Should we as a society accept students who are calling for violence and intifada on Israel or Jewish people in general? If anything some of those pro-Palestinian protests were more reminiscent of the 1933 “German Firm” boycotts the quote mentions than not: > A boycott sign posted on the display window of a Jewish-owned business reads: "Germans defend yourselves against Jewish atrocity propaganda. Buy…

> Israel or Jewish people in general?

as a person of jewish faith, I ask that you please not falsely conflate these two completely different concepts

someone who opposes jewish people in general is bad, but someone who opposes the ongoing genocide of palestinians is good

your usage of "or" here would indicate that the above good person is grouped together with the above bad person

> If anything some of those pro-Palestinian protests were more reminiscent of the 1933 “German Firm” boycotts

structuring your metaphor like this, strikes me as an example of DARVO [0], considering what is being done to innocent palestinians. how many israelis patronize businesses based in palestine? how many such businesses do you patronize?

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO

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