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Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by tremon »

pindab0ter wrote: post #765
tremon wrote: post #671

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Oh sorry, yes I have a browser extension that always adds that parameter to any wikipedia page. I usually strip it when posting a link, but I forgot (and since it's a long link, it doesn't display in its entirety so I didn't catch it).

That makes sense! I can see why you would prefer that skin. Out of curiosity, why use a plugin and not Wikipedia's appearance preferences[1]? 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsec...

IIRC that requires having an account and being logged in, or maybe it just required a persistent cookie to remember the preference. Either way, my browser still aggressively clears cookies on exit so this solution was more permanent for me than the official solution.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by phendrenad2 »

scarab92 wrote: post #729
torlok wrote: post #718

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AfD is a Nazi party, and nobody's silencing them, despite overwhelming opposition in all EU countries. If you listen to EU parliament speeches, there's all kinds of radical political views being shared during debates. Vance came to Europe to peddle US culture wars and got laughed out.

> AfD is a Nazi party. It feels inappropriate that progressives have decided that it's okay to use Nazi as a generic insult for mainstream right wing parties. It waters down the true horrors of the Nazi party. Anyway, as to censorship coming from Germany: "Germany submits the highest number of legal demands for user data to X within the European Union, with ~87% of these requests targeting speech-related offenses. "…

It's more complicated than that, in this case. They aren't simply insulting AfD by calling it a Nazi party. There is some truth to it, in that AfD almost certainly has Nazis in it. A prominent AfD member has used the phrase "all for Germany" that was also used by the Nazis. They also openly say that they want to take down holocaust memorials and stop talking about it.

Personally, I think that the full accusation of Nazism should be reserved for when it's really needed. But I assume that Germans know better than I do how to go about keeping Nazis out of their country.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by iteratethis »

sltkr wrote: post #703
iteratethis wrote: post #697

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The US ranks #55 in press freedom, all positions in the top 10 are EU countries.

You never said it explicitly but you are referencing the French Reporters sans frontières (RSF) ranking, which is a European organization which is obviously predisposed to rank European countries highly. I find their ranking highly suspect because they put the Netherlands at number #4, one of the highest rankings, while in reality the press in the Netherlands is in a dire state: literally all newspapers of record are…

You picked the wrong country. I'm from the Netherlands and it's not in a dire state.

It has newspapers across the spectrum. Volkskrant and Parool are left-wing, AD is centrist, Telegraaf is center-right. To name a few. This reflects our political system which is a distribution rather than a binary system.

In addition, there's state-owned news that reports very factually, with little to no bias in any direction.

We also have excellent deep journalism, my favorite being Follow The Money: https://www.ftm.nl/

EU edition: https://www.ftm.eu/articles

...the type of journalism the entire world needs.

The Netherlands has no hard-right or alt-right newspapers or TV channels. Not because it's not allowed, we just don't have the equivalent of Fox.

In my view, this is a blessing. It's not because I'm left wing. I'm center-right. Alt-right with their misinformation and alternative facts are an attack on information itself. It's not just "another view", it undermines reality itself.

And for the record, we have no hard-left in mainstream media either. Not because it's not allowed, it just doesn't work over here.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by cowboylowrez »

guappa wrote: post #764
cowboylowrez wrote: post #482

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yeah but thats like saying I as an american have to be personally responsible for trump's behavior

That's completely different. People criticise trump without being accused of wanting to exterminate the entire population of the USA. But if you criticise israel, that's the standard answer you get.

I think part of the problem is that so many folks think its somehow Israel's job to absorb terrorist acts without any military response. I for one won't be part of that. Gaza seems to me to be little more than an Iranian military outpost from which they can launch attacks on Israel.

I don't blame folks for being tired of this, but Gaza chose this route just like we in the US chose ours. Gaza made an extremely gross and unwise decision to go with the hamas losers. Its natural when a country picks poor quality folks to run their government that there may be consequences for their unwise choice. That goes for any country who picks the wrong leaders. I'm sure during world war 2 the civilians inhabiting axis territories probably experienced things you guys would call genocide.

All people need to do is to come up with something other than the complete destruction of Israel, and maybe there could be the start of a peace process.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by ruune »

sltkr wrote: post #698
ruune wrote: post #670

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Tell me more. I live here and have never encountered a situation where I was not allowed to express my opinions in a systematic way. So I don't know but would be delighted to

It might simply mean your opinions fall in the narrow band of views that are permitted to be expressed. It proves nothing about freedom of speech in general. Even in North Korea, people are allowed to freely express their love for their Dear Leader. Those who express a different view are swiftly disposed of. If you love Dear Leader you could live your entire life believing that you and everyone else has free speech,…

That's great and all, but last time I checked I didn't live in a country with a grand leader. Germany's chancellor is looking at loosing an election in less than a week. So I ask again, and I'm actually serious about this question: What opinion am I not allowed to express? (Except insults and denying the death of 6 million Jews)

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by ruune »

torlok wrote: post #718
sltkr wrote: post #698

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might simply mean your opinions fall in the narrow band of views that are permitted to be expressed. It proves nothing about freedom of speech in general. Even in North Korea, people are allowed to freely express their love for their Dear Leader. Those who express a different view are swiftly disposed of. If you love Dear Leader you could live your entire life believing that you and everyone else has free speech,…

AfD is a Nazi party, and nobody's silencing them, despite overwhelming opposition in all EU countries. If you listen to EU parliament speeches, there's all kinds of radical political views being shared during debates. Vance came to Europe to peddle US culture wars and got laughed out.

Alice Weidel is in almost every talk show I watch, was invited to almost every major debate and everyone is doing a great job of normalizing the AfD. Every time someone from there complains about not being allowed to say what they want it's on a stage with a mic in hand and them being allowed to say whatever they want. So while I don't really agree on the "Nazi" part they're definitely not silenced. And apparently no one in this thread can tell me what freedom I'm missing despite claiming I do. Just give me some statistic or some example of systematic suppression of speech if it's that obvious to anyone but me

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by ruune »

scarab92 wrote: post #729
torlok wrote: post #718

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AfD is a Nazi party, and nobody's silencing them, despite overwhelming opposition in all EU countries. If you listen to EU parliament speeches, there's all kinds of radical political views being shared during debates. Vance came to Europe to peddle US culture wars and got laughed out.

> AfD is a Nazi party. It feels inappropriate that progressives have decided that it's okay to use Nazi as a generic insult for mainstream right wing parties. It waters down the true horrors of the Nazi party. Anyway, as to censorship coming from Germany: "Germany submits the highest number of legal demands for user data to X within the European Union, with ~87% of these requests targeting speech-related offenses. "…

Germany is also the biggest market in the EU. Without actual numbers this proves nothing. And with a platform that primarily relies on speech I struggle to come up with a huge list of non-speech-related offenses that could come up. Also, we're taking about a platform owned by an heavily opinionated US gov official here, come on...

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by manwe150 »

Y_Y wrote: post #665
_heimdall wrote: post #326

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Its a weird grey area for sure. The best rationalization I have ever come up with is that when speech involves a legitimate threat to do harm, for example, that skips past just speech and can be seen as a step in actively planning to do harm. In certain situations, like murder or terrorism, we've agreed that simply planning to do it is a crime. Combine the two and it isn't that you said something that is illegal, its…

That's a good rationalization indeed! It makes sense that you should be able to think and say "Y_Y is a jerk who deserves to die", but if you say it to my face then I might be reasonably upset to the point of considerable emotional harm, or if you say it from your pulpit it could reasonably be interpreted by one of your followers as an instruction to commit murder. The speech alone isn't the crime, but you can certai…

It is quite nuanced, but generally it depends on your intent. If you plan how to commit a crime without intending or encouraging anyone to commit it, that is not illegal, but intending to commit a crime, even if some else does the actual deed or if nobody is even harmed, that is illegal, as they were the perpetrator and succeeded. Eg https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/80382/can-you-be-pun...

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by moneywoes »

93po wrote: post #699
philipdavis wrote: post #374

Do people in the US still use X? If yes, why? What keeps you on the platform (so the owner is a tiny step closer to destroying your own country)?

its the only social media platform that isn't image and video heavy, can consistently have non-bot and non-fake and non-clickbait material of substance (if you curate who you you follow well), provides awesome filtering options out of the box for stuff like keywords (i literally had to make a browser extension to filter reddit crap out better), and has a lot of interesting people posting entertaining non-image stuff…

mind sharing your feed?

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by account42 »

soulofmischief wrote: post #799
account42 wrote: post #783

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The established political parties in Germany are in fact trying to silence the AfD - precisely because they are gaining support amongs the population that is no longer represented by the established parties.

My, this narrative sounds familiar... Almost like it's been peddled in Germany before, 80 years ago.

What "narrative"?
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