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El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender

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Re: El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender

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I don’t know that’s what I’m asking! Should you only spend your money in life or death situations in a btc economy?

If BTC was widely used as a currency then it would not be subject to nearly as much speculation. I don't know why this needs to be pointed out.

Is that a fact? Any substance you'd care to offer or just leaving that assertion hanging?

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I literally use USDT daily. Use it to pay for food delivery, for a massage or a manicure, or exchange it for cash delivered to my home. Literally 90% of my spending goes through it.

USDT isn't Bitcoin.

That's true. The claim that Bitcoin is useless for everyday transactions is obviously correct. It's more like digital gold.

However, I find time and time again that HN crows is absolutely unaware of how useful crypto can be in everyday life, so I offer my perspective.

Re: El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender

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If BTC was widely used as a currency then it would not be subject to nearly as much speculation. I don't know why this needs to be pointed out.

Is that a fact? Any substance you'd care to offer or just leaving that assertion hanging?

Intuition. If the majority of bitcoin usage was for transactions involving services and goods instead of speculative investment, there's a pretty strong case for a wager that the impact of speculative investment on its price would decrease.

I don't personally believe this will ever happen. BTC has too much legacy cruft. The "digital gold" narrative won out. Day-to-day transactions will happen in a newer, perhaps not invented yet crypto.

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Would that not be a bad thing when using it as legal tender? Deflation tends to be disastrous for the economy.

deflation is fine for an economy. inflation is disastrous for an economy. the people in charge of the money printers are trying to keep you confused. don’t buy it.

By people in change of money printer, did you mean Giancarlo Devacini, who has printed hundred billion funny tokens in some non-extradition offshore with zero audit, and used those funny tokens to buy other tokens like BTC, ETH and others? Those people? Or he is fine, because you are directly benefiting from that token printer and doesn't care about others being swindled in the process?

Re: El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender

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LOL I have $1,000. I believe that tomorrow, my $1,000 will be worth $2,000. Why would I ever spend my money? Hence, economy freezes. This is so plainly obvious to everyone except crypto zealots I literally gasped seeing your comment.

computers have experienced rapid deflation in the previous decades. did that prevent people from buying computers? no, obviously not. of course you are just trolling ("LOL") and you are incurious to any evidence or argument that contradicts your straight-from-cable-news talking points.

This isn't quite the same. Money that is deflating becomes literally more functionally useful the longer you hold it. Computers stay as functionally useful as you hold them and arguably degrade relative to the software you need to run on them. In your analogy you should be concerned with whether I want to sell my computer (analogous to spending my money). If a computer truly did become more functional with passing time then no, nobody would sell them unless they had to - illustrating the problem.

Re: El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender

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It's much simpler than that, they simply make selling bitcoin a capital gain event (which it is) and tax it. They could even make a separate special rate for cryptocurrency pretty easily. Now maybe you think this is easy to avoid, in which case I would ask why you aren't already committing tax fraud.

The reason tax evasion with regular currency is so difficult is because pretty much all banks/financial institutions report your income to the state. But with crypto, especially anonymized ones like monero, the decentralized nature makes it almost impossible to track income and who it belongs to.

It is almost trivial for a 3-letter agency to track bitcoin flow. Every transaction is entirely public with only pseudonyms to obfuscate identity, and with the current KYC laws good luck not getting doxxed while buying BTC. We need to move this discourse away from "crypto" and towards Monero specifically if we want any progress on adoption

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If the value of your coin only goes up in value, why would you use 1 bitcoin now to buy a pizza slice if you can use it 5-10 years from now to buy a house?

A house in 5-10 years is nice, but it doesn't stop me from starving to death today.

That's exactly the problem: People will (rationally!) limit their spending to bare necessities if they expect the currency they have on hand to strongly appreciate over time.

Re: El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender

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Is that a fact? Any substance you'd care to offer or just leaving that assertion hanging?

Intuition. If the majority of bitcoin usage was for transactions involving services and goods instead of speculative investment, there's a pretty strong case for a wager that the impact of speculative investment on its price would decrease. I don't personally believe this will ever happen. BTC has too much legacy cruft. The "digital gold" narrative won out. Day-to-day transactions will happen in a newer, perhaps not…

I agree but that’s like saying if my grandma had wheels she’d be a wheelbarrow innit? BTC is not set up to ever be a reasonable currency. Agree digital dollars is where we’re headed.

Re: El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender

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It’s being “used” as a speculative asset. That’s not a firm foundation to run a governmental monetary system on. Maybe there are other cryptocurrencies better suited to the task, but BTC isn’t

Governmental monetary systems are usually founded on hopes and prayers (and military might).

They're founded on the shared illusion that the money they create is worth something, and the fact that this works pretty well is arguably one of the most important achievements of human civilization.

Re: El Salvador abandons Bitcoin as legal tender

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So your one good use is... tax evasion. Huh. It's not illegal to move money out of your investment accounts, it's just reported so that yes, you can have a tax liability. I too, would like tax-free investments and funds.

Yes! That's my one good use! :) Seriously, that's all I got.

And it doesn't work unless you buy your bitcoin peer to peer, as any exchange will just leave a log relating your buying to your wallet, and liquidate it peer to peer as well. Any transactions with regulated institutions will doxx your wallet and then it's over, you can't use those funds anymore without being tracked (or at least trackable) by the feds.
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