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Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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As a European, I find it quite outrageous to demand a company be sold to the US because it is too successful and valuable to be foreign-held. It is the old-school imperialist school of thought. If you think Bytedance is harming Americans, despite following american law, then amend the rules for social media companies. Or at least be honest enough to say: "The free market is great, but only if we hold all the cards".

So is it fine when China does it, just not when the U.S. does it?

I think the point is that China does not present itself as the paladin of free spech and individual liberties.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#802

As a European, I find it quite outrageous to demand a company be sold to the US because it is too successful and valuable to be foreign-held. It is the old-school imperialist school of thought. If you think Bytedance is harming Americans, despite following american law, then amend the rules for social media companies. Or at least be honest enough to say: "The free market is great, but only if we hold all the cards".

> too successful and valuable to be foreign-held That’s a thoroughly disingenuous spin on the reasoning. There is no movement to prevent foreign companies from having popular apps in general. The law is narrowly targeted. TikTok could continue to be foreign-held as long as they separated from the government of a specific foreign country. I’m amazed at how many commenters are twisting themselves into pretzels to try t…

I found your angle very interesting. I'm baffled by the same thing. Is it that a new generation (that is now < 30) grew up without realising this? I wonder what is the age of average commenter here.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#803

As a European, I find it quite outrageous to demand a company be sold to the US because it is too successful and valuable to be foreign-held. It is the old-school imperialist school of thought. If you think Bytedance is harming Americans, despite following american law, then amend the rules for social media companies. Or at least be honest enough to say: "The free market is great, but only if we hold all the cards".

> demand a company be sold to the US because it is too successful and valuable to be foreign-held This is a reductive and misleading analysis. The US has already prohibited foreign entities from holding broadcast/common carrier licenses, or from owning significant chunks of equity in holders of those licenses [1]. It should be kind of obvious why a country would not want their biggest media providers to be foreign-ow…

> obvious why a country would not want their biggest media providers to be foreign-owned.

And yet many countries have no objection with letting their citizens use US FAANG services?

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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As a European, I find it quite outrageous to demand a company be sold to the US because it is too successful and valuable to be foreign-held. It is the old-school imperialist school of thought. If you think Bytedance is harming Americans, despite following american law, then amend the rules for social media companies. Or at least be honest enough to say: "The free market is great, but only if we hold all the cards".

The demand is literally stated to American or allies company. So this is not true. But that’s what national interest protection looks like. Look at Germany and Europe in general , they pay money to arm their aggressive neighbor, still not able to shield themselves from China. And asking US to protect Europe . I don’t think Europe , giving the situation is in position to suggest about national interest protection. It’…

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Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#805
As someone who has used TikTok, I don’t hate the outcome, but hate the mendacity with which it was executed. TikTok is brain rot, a better way of describing it is digital crack. You can spend hours and hours on TikTok in a numb state, with no sense of what’s going on in the world around you. If the government decided, this addiction is not good, let’s treat it like a drug and ban it, I would be all for it. But claiming it is a tool of Chinese Propaganda is absurd.

Anyone who uses TikTok, knows China can’t really gin up any propaganda through it.

Propaganda only works if it seduces, not if it bludgeons and China as a country never seems to be able to seduce. It’s Hollywood that gets exported to China, Xi Jinpings daughter studied at Harvard, not the other way around. China is a fashion victim of US propaganda if anything. The worst China could do, was artificially boost “how cool China is” TikTok’s, crudely ban TianMen Square TikTok’s and this does not convince anyone. It only encourages even more subversive TikTok’s, weakening its power further.

In fact I would claim, China not only has no power over those that use TikTok, but in its current regime, it has no pathway to ever influence those that use TikTok, even in the future. The Chinese regime is practically capable but culturally uncool. All that the American Regime has succeeded in banning TikTok, is embarrass the American Regime and reveal itself to be equally uncool in the eyes of Gen Z. If you browsed TikTok recently, you have seen probably all the ironic TikTok’s of Americans saluting the Chinese National Anthem. This irony from the younger generation, itself shows how uncool Congress has become. A culturally dominant regime, would have no reason to worry about enemy’s propaganda, and America didn’t realize it but it was very culturally dominant, now however it’s own insecurity has harmed its prestige significantly.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#806

This is one of the most slippery slopes I think we have ever ventured down in the history of the Internet here in North America. Not impressed whatsoever with this. This is not what the internet is all about.

The internet has been dead for like 20 years dude. It's been over.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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(Perspective from an American) Information is the gold of the 21st century. Whoever controls the flow of information has all the wealth and all the power. Therefore, data is the greatest currency in the world. This outcome was never intended to happen, but ByteDance is taking a chance that the American government will relent. We’ll see in a few months who wins the stalemate. TikTok has an immense amount of cultural p…

I don't think this is a data issue, but more of control over media in a sovereign nation. In a free market, can another sovereign nation hold a chunk of the market share in media? I don't know. All I can think of is the impact on regular everyday Americans who use TikTok to make a living.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#808

As a European, I find it quite outrageous to demand a company be sold to the US because it is too successful and valuable to be foreign-held. It is the old-school imperialist school of thought. If you think Bytedance is harming Americans, despite following american law, then amend the rules for social media companies. Or at least be honest enough to say: "The free market is great, but only if we hold all the cards".

It's ridiculous. Who made their now so called adversary? Who shifted production to them?

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#809

As a European, I find it quite outrageous to demand a company be sold to the US because it is too successful and valuable to be foreign-held. It is the old-school imperialist school of thought. If you think Bytedance is harming Americans, despite following american law, then amend the rules for social media companies. Or at least be honest enough to say: "The free market is great, but only if we hold all the cards".

> too successful and valuable to be foreign-held That’s a thoroughly disingenuous spin on the reasoning. There is no movement to prevent foreign companies from having popular apps in general. The law is narrowly targeted. TikTok could continue to be foreign-held as long as they separated from the government of a specific foreign country. I’m amazed at how many commenters are twisting themselves into pretzels to try t…

Also, Beijing seems happy to help the drug cartels that sell into the US make fentanyl and help them launder their profits.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#810

As a European, I find it quite outrageous to demand a company be sold to the US because it is too successful and valuable to be foreign-held. It is the old-school imperialist school of thought. If you think Bytedance is harming Americans, despite following american law, then amend the rules for social media companies. Or at least be honest enough to say: "The free market is great, but only if we hold all the cards".

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