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TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by georgeecollins »

wyldberry wrote: post #507
cvoss wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US gov's intention was not at all to shut down TikTok. It was to force ByteDance to sell it. The fact that ByteDance is opting for a shutdown instead is a huge PR stunt, and their unwillingness to sell under the circumstances kinda proves their whole First Amendment claims are made in bad faith. Something deeper is going on, and it's not about your social security number.

This isn't rocket science. What's going on is having the keys to the kingdom with regards to serving videos to influence the mind of a user with extremely precise targeting. China doesn't want USA doing that, and banned their social media. USA doesn't want China doing it because they've been doing it all over the world to everybody since Radio Free Europe, and likely before. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Radio-Fre…

Lots of countries have made it illegal to listen things like Radio Free Europe. I'm guessing you can't in North Korea. On the other hand, a US citizen that wants to get the Chinese perspective on anything has lots of ways to legally find that and repeat it. I am not saying a lot of people in the US are interested in a foreign point of view, or that the US doesn't have tons of propaganda. But I don't think you can convince anyone that the two countries treat speech the same way.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by mrtransient »

Why can't the decentralized social media be made? What are the technical obstacles for this? Why cant it run in your browser, users could store their content on their own devices and share it P2P. Noone knows whats being shared, no problems with censorships, regulations, laws...

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by WesleyJohnson »

gretch wrote: post #492
advisedwang wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, we should also forbid books published by Chinese publishing companies because the CPC might pressure those companies to put propaganda in the books. We should also forbid Hollywood from selling movies in China, because as we've already seen that means the movies are being adjusted to get approval in China. We should also forbid Chinese citizens talking to Americans, because they might convince Americans on a top…

We live in a democracy. If you get enough people to vote for this platform, then sure let's do it. You can't compare a popular bipartisan law to a hypothetical thing you just made up. Peoples' votes matter

The popular vote for president would like a word. And, yes, I know Trump won that too, but the point still stands that it doesn't matter.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by carabiner »

bearjaws wrote: post #490
jdlyga wrote: post #115

"I would literally write my social security number on a sticky note and stick it to Xi Jinping's forehead than go back to using Instagram Reels" I saw this yesterday and it's hilarious but this is the feeling right now. TikTok has such a culture of authenticity and realness and Instagram is so phony and overly perfect (not to mention ads and so many bots and spam). It's like shutting down Reddit and telling everyone…

> TikTok has such a culture of authenticity and realness I must live in another universe because it all feels fake.

The lady with the rug story, the tik tok recipes... All felt very real, down to earth to me. Versus IG's obsession with glamor, travel stories, other hucksters.

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Post by WesleyJohnson »

smoovb wrote: post #733
vitalurk wrote: post #316

This move shouts “you win China, your products are superior than ours”. We hate losing at our own game don’t we?

As China bans TikTok too, this move shouts “We don’t want this app either.”

Because neither government wants a well-educated, knowledgeable population. Carlin was trying to teach us that for decades and it still rings true.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by leesalminen »

mrtransient wrote: post #802

Why can't the decentralized social media be made? What are the technical obstacles for this? Why cant it run in your browser, users could store their content on their own devices and share it P2P. Noone knows whats being shared, no problems with censorships, regulations, laws...

Primal.net and yakihonne.com speak nostr protocol and are both pretty slick implementations.

Primal recently launched “build your own algorithm” along with a feed marketplace.

P2P doesn’t work for social, see SecureScuttleButt. Rabble has moved pretty firmly into the Nostr camp. He’s one of the top minds thinking about decentralized social media. Study nostr and don’t dismiss the relay model lightly.

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Post by EthicalSimilar »

mrtransient wrote: post #802

Why can't the decentralized social media be made? What are the technical obstacles for this? Why cant it run in your browser, users could store their content on their own devices and share it P2P. Noone knows whats being shared, no problems with censorships, regulations, laws...

You can do that, except nobody would use it.

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Post by witherk »

mrtransient wrote: post #802

Why can't the decentralized social media be made? What are the technical obstacles for this? Why cant it run in your browser, users could store their content on their own devices and share it P2P. Noone knows whats being shared, no problems with censorships, regulations, laws...

It's just ease of use. I tried to make a mastodon account early into the xitter takeover. I spent probably half an hour trying to make a account before I decided if it was gonna take me this long that there was no way it would ever catch on anyway so I should just give up.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by op00to »

carabiner wrote: post #804
bearjaws wrote: post #490

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> TikTok has such a culture of authenticity and realness I must live in another universe because it all feels fake.

The lady with the rug story, the tik tok recipes... All felt very real, down to earth to me. Versus IG's obsession with glamor, travel stories, other hucksters.

Strange. Until about a month ago, my IG feed was almost all independent and amateur musicians, interesting tech makers (NOT reviewers or “influencers”, and some alt comedy. Suddenly, in the past 4 weeks, my feed is all political propaganda from the far right, ads, and more ads.

I deleted Instagram because of the change. I’m done. Never used TikTok, it seemed totally fake to me.

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