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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by parineum »

Khaine wrote: post #743
adamc wrote: post #306

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Not a Canadian, but no, a protest protests and gives voice to the disagreement. Blocking other people's rights is not just a protest and is likely to trigger action to protect others. That's how it goes everywhere that has rights. Normally, some effort is made to do it peacefully, but there are no countries where you can halt the economy whenever you want to force people to negotiate with you.

so you were okay with BLM blocking freeways, and city roads?

What are you going to say if the answer is yes?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

Khaine wrote: post #741
mass_and_energy wrote: post #75

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YSK that the people who had their accounts frozen weren't simply protesting in Ottawa; they were blocking international borders to our largest trading partner, effectively holding our economy hostage. This absolutely constitutes behavior that's a danger to our nation so it makes sense to freeze the accounts of the people doing it. To be clear, there were many attempts to settle this without freezing people's bank acc…

Stop Oil glue themselves to the road in cities as a protest, disrupting the economic output of major cities. They haven't been treated like a terrorist organisation. By your logic they should be.

Actually the Harper gov't passed laws when in power that enabled them to treat such protests against fossil fuels as terrorist or threat-to-national-security events.

And pipeline blocking protests in BC saw fairly heavy handed police intervention under the Trudeau govt. Those blockades were cleared by the RCMP, quite aggressively, something which the police basically refused to do for the convoy protest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Canadian_pipeline_and_rai...

I don't think it's really that cut and dry of a comparison in favour of your argument. Oil and gas protests in Canada have been treated more aggressively than the convoy was.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by zahlman »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #721
mlekoszek wrote: post #664

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It's definitely not 'overwhelmingly popular,' but polling shows majority support (66%) from Canadians for use of the Emergencies Act at the time of the protest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act#Opinion_pollin...

Upon digging, Wikipedia most prominently cites secondary sources here. The first of which is linked to a group called "Maru Group", whose website is dysfunctional. They are owned by Stagwell Marketing, whose CEO, Mark Penn, is directly linked to the US and Canadian Government, and more specifically to companies which were directly hurt by the trucking protest. Maru Group's sampling is tiny, they asked only 1500 peopl…

>Upon digging, Wikipedia most prominently cites secondary sources here.

That has historically been their explicit policy in general (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_a_terti...).

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

refurb wrote: post #796
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #663

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Thing is, the federal government does not have the power to "ask the police" to do anything. That's obviously by design and part of the demarcation of powers we expect from a democracy. The accusations of authoritarianism would have been just as drastic (I think?) if the PM had stood up and tried to call the RCMP or Ottawa police / OPP to task for their inaction and so on. Sibling commenter is right: the police shoul…

> Thing is, the federal government does not have the power to "ask the police" to do anything. Wut? The RCMP reports to Parliament up through the Public Safety minister. The bucks stops with the PM. The federal government has not only the right but the obligation to hold the RCMP accountable.

But that's not what I was arguing? Holding accountable is not the same as telling them what to do in terms of enforcement action.

This was actually discussed as a specific controversy at the time the convoy was undergoing. Trudeau getting on the phone with chief of police and asking him to clear the protest would be a serious breach of political standards in our democracy.

Also the police in question here are the Ottawa Police Service, not the RCMP, I believe.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by markeroon »

jlos wrote: post #402

As a close watcher of Canadian politics, here's the best summary I can offer for those not familiar: Overal Picture Canada has seen gdp-per-capita decline for nearly every quarter over the past 3 years. Large stimulus spending during the pandemic fueled the housing crisis and added massive inflation. Stimulating the economy through similarly massive increases in Non-Permanent Residents has kept GDP afloat, but come a…

This is a good summary that captures the discourse in Canada presently, very different from what people seem to be focusing on here on HN.

One caveat: as far as I know, taxation in Canada is pretty similar to New York or California.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by celdon25 »

TaurenHunter wrote: post #372
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #182

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Liberals did not "give up power" in the US. They lost power in the US. That's not the same thing.

They have messed up so much in this election that it must have been on purpose.

"not a thing comes to mind!"

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by HaZeust »

dang wrote: post #596

We changed the URL from https://www.bbc.com/news/live/clyjmy7vl64t . Interested readers might want to look at both.

Can you please add this to your pinned top comment? This was incredibly hard to find as a comment, and a BBC bearing is actually pretty important to this topic.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by em-bee »

extraduder_ire wrote: post #638
Mistletoe wrote: post #440

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Have they ever thought of implementing a term limit? I’m confused why they think that is not necessary.

Does this type of role have a term limit anywhere? e.g. US house speaker doesn't have a term limit.

you can't compare the US here. a prime minister is not just like a speaker of the house. in many countries world wide the prime minister takes on most of the responsibilities that in the US are fulfilled by the president. the prime minister effectively runs the country, while the president is just a figure head having mostly ceremonial duties. the role of the president in the US is different, and an exception to the common rule.

at least some of the reasons why the US president has a term limit could therefore also apply to other countries prime ministers.

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