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Post by farts_mckensy »

mrkpdl wrote: post #712
bko wrote: post #710

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Did washing machine devalue the work of people washing by hand? Did cameras devalue the work of portrait artists? ATMs to bank tellers? Tractor to farmer? Car to horses? Again, it's technology. I guess I shouldn't have said I never heard an argument. I just never heard a good one that can't be applied to pretty much any other technology that came before.

These are false equivalences, or whataboutisms. The hand washers provided a very different ‘thing’. To that of artists. You mention things like getting clean clothes, getting from a to b in a car or on a horse, getting cash from an ATM instead from the teller at a bank branch. These are all completely different to the work of an artist or craftsperson that expresses something. So it’s very reasonable for people to se…

Its not any different in principle than any other technological innovation. Arguments to the contrary amount to special pleading. The jobs of many, many craftspeople were displaced in the wake of industrialization and the digital revolution. We all buy and consume things that are mass produced all the time and don't bat an eye. Some artisianal version of these things is available in many cases. You're free to buy the mass produced version or the artisianal version. Technological progress is the engine of capitalism. History shows that you can't stop it, and slowing it just enables competitors to swoop in and eat your lunch. But Capitalism has a shelf life. Feudalism came to an end, and so will the market system. In practice, the implementation into all aspects of production will lead to an insurmountable economic crisis. What comes after is up to us.

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Post by j0ej0ej0e »

yurylifshits wrote: post #629
zoogeny wrote: post #314

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There are a few available to the public. runway.ai and kling are a couple that I see heavily used on Twitter. I pay for runway right now for experiments and it works. The problem is that maybe 1 out of 10 prompts result in something useable. And when I say useable I have pretty low standards. Since the model pumps out 5 or 10 second clips you have to be pretty creative since the models still struggle with keeping any…

Hi zoogeny (and anyone else here) — you can try our new app Nim to address the Runway problems you describe https://alpha.nim.video We offer both image-to-video (same situation as Runway, need a few attempts to make something awesome) and video-to-video (under the name "Restyle 2.0") - this is our newest tool and is highly reliable, i.e. you can get complex motion (kissing, handshakes, boxing, skateboarding, etc) wit…

What's the maximum video dimensions your service can output? with a 1024x1024 image it exports 512x512 on the free plan.

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Post by huimang »

intended wrote: post #798
huimang wrote: post #790

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> And if they use AI and you can't tell the difference, does it really matter? Yes. It devalues artists further (on top of only existing due to grand scale theft of art). It also is slop devoid of intention. If that's not enough, it's ecologically devastating. I would rather not waste millions of gallons of water on slop that gets generated and thrown away.

Human information networks are also an ecosystem. Having an abundance of slop stops the flow of information and knowledge. You have to filter everything that is shared to make sure you aren’t being predated upon.

Precisely - the amount of damage that openai and llms have done to human knowledge sharing and discourse is incalculable. Now we not only have to deal with humans manually writing junk due to perverse incentives, we also have to deal with people passing off machine generated junk at scale.

And we're destroying the environment through rapidly increasing resource consumption to do so. This situation is incredibly fucked.

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Post by mrandish »

chefandy wrote: post #630
visarga wrote: post #568

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> your still working with other people's borrowed humanity usefully pureed and reformed by a machine Exactly, isn't it amazing? You can travel the latent space of human culture in any direction. It's an endless mirror house where you can explore. I find it an inspiring experience, it's like a microscope that allows zooming into anything.

Sure it's a lot of fun. I also find it very useful for some things like references and mood boards. No matter how granular you get with control nets or LORAs and how good the models get, you just can't get the specificity needed for professional work and the forms it gives you are just too onerous to mold into a useful shape using professional tools. It's still, fundamentally, asking another thing to make it for you,…

Very well said. Agree completely.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

latexr wrote: post #703
bko wrote: post #691

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It's just a technology. Much like you can still buy "hand made" shoes, there will be people that create curated hand made content. And if they use AI and you can't tell the difference, does it really matter? I really don't understand why there is so much negativity for a new technology. It's never explained, just taken as a fact and people bemoaning the new state of the world.

> And if they use AI and you can't tell the difference, does it really matter? It does, yes. To use your own analogy, if one pays for an artisanal product and is served something out of a production line in a factory, that is fraud. > It's never explained You’re not paying attention, it is often explained. One huge reason is that it devalues the work of artists who are already struggling to make any money by using th…

> It does, yes. To use your own analogy, if one pays for an artisanal product and is served something out of a production line in a factory, that is fraud.

Isn’t this what happened to Etsy? You really can’t tell, so the artisanal goods became mostly factory produced in China. But beyond the romantic and ethical concerns, I wish there was real tangible advantage from buying from an artisan rather than a factory. At least interior designers and custom cabinets are impossible to mass produce…so far.

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Post by presentation »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #766
woggy wrote: post #731

It's already bad, but the amount of garbage that is going to flood YouTube now is going to make it unusable.

No, it won't. Youtube is kind-of like Reddit or HN. "Good" stuff floats to the top, "bad" stuff disappears into nothing.

In general this is true but I find the pandering that creators do to please the algorithm to make them produce worse videos, which is frustrating.

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Post by jajko »

bko wrote: post #691
famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

It's just a technology. Much like you can still buy "hand made" shoes, there will be people that create curated hand made content. And if they use AI and you can't tell the difference, does it really matter? I really don't understand why there is so much negativity for a new technology. It's never explained, just taken as a fact and people bemoaning the new state of the world.

You are saying reality and fake reality are alike, because hey can you spot the difference?

Whole effin' Matrix movies premise was about that, remainder of human civilization rather went to suicidal fight than go back to more comfy fake illusion of reality.

When I watch videos from friends or generally people, I am interested in their actual experiences, not lies they try to push about how they wanted their experiences to look like. That's frankly pathetic, you may of course not share the same view but luckily its dominant view in this world.

When Mad max movies made most of their fights in real desert and it showed, god damn I had huge respect for all involved, thats an art. Green background just doesn't cut it.

You also recharge in same way looking at phone wallpaper (or look at it in VR) of some mountains of forest, or actually being there and touching the trees and rock? One is cheap fake junk, another is proper awesome reality that makes you feel alive like nothing. Can't grok why the fuck do I need to even explain this to somebody, my 4 year old son gets it very well.

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Post by energy123 »

layer8 wrote: post #459
nthdesign wrote: post #92

My kids both have creative hearts, and they are terrified that A.I. will prevent them from earning a living through creativity. Very recently, I've had an alternate thought. We've spent decades improving the technology of entertainment, spending billions (trillions?) of dollars in the process. When A.I. can generate any entertainment you can imagine, we might start finding this kind of entertainment boring. Maybe, at…

Creativity is about having original ideas. So far, AI isn’t that good at that, and neither at maintaining a consistent idea throughout a production. Will AI be able to come up with a compelling novel series, music album, video game, movie or TV series in ten years? Possibly, but there’s also a good chance that it won’t.

Most creatives work in at-risk jobs like freelance writing, SEO, digital advertising, logo design

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Post by jayd16 »

bko wrote: post #691
famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

It's just a technology. Much like you can still buy "hand made" shoes, there will be people that create curated hand made content. And if they use AI and you can't tell the difference, does it really matter? I really don't understand why there is so much negativity for a new technology. It's never explained, just taken as a fact and people bemoaning the new state of the world.

Well ok, but there's plenty of crap knockoffs that you need to worry about when buying shoes. It's not about being anti-technology. It's about new content being lower quality. You can tell but it takes effort that wasn't necessary before.

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Post by pfortuny »

chasd00 wrote: post #687
vagab0nd wrote: post #685

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Imagine a herd of AI agents, indistinguishable from real human, are to interact with you and the content you create. Are you ok with it? Would you even care that they are not real people? Or maybe you'd even prefer them sometimes? Because that's where we are headed.

If the AI agents are indistinguishable from humans then it doesn’t matter how you feel about them.

Well, yes: I prefer interacting with a human person to doing so with a machine. Simply because of the value I assign to one and the other.
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