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The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by TrapLord_Rhodo »

racional wrote: post #394
Wytwwww wrote: post #368

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> and unlike you, I don't trust my offhand estimates. Yet you're fine with handwaving probably the biggest issue Ukraine is facing (besides the risk of losing western support/Trump winning the election and making a side-deal with Putin). > However I will trust the Ukrainians to know, The government probably does. Of course due to perfectly understandable reasons they will not share that information with the Ukrainian…

For the sake of simplicity -- I'm assuming Trump won't win at this point (it could happen but the odds are looking quite low). And unlike Trump, the new administration won't simply drop-kick Ukraine or otherwise be in a hurry to cut a dirty deal just to get this thing over with. Yet you're fine with handwaving I'm not; I'm saying it's a question I'll trust to the Ukrainians to evaluate and decide for themselves. That…

>I'm assuming Trump won't win at this point (it could happen but the odds are looking quite low

The odds are very much in trumps favor... what kind of rock have you been living under?

[1]https://polymarket.com/event/presidential-election-winner-20...

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by hot_gril »

jprete wrote: post #639
throwway120385 wrote: post #173

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What often happens in these small community organizations is one or two volunteers join and begin to do a bunch of work to "transform" the organization and expand its reach. They inevitably become "indispensable" to the new organization, which they have wrapped around themselves like a cloak. Then they squeeze it around themselves until everyone leaves and the organization's soul has been sucked out. They move on to…

Are these the techbros of community life? I can see a bunch of parallels.

The biggest defining factor is they have a lot of spare time to push dumb agendas and don't listen to people who have less time to deal with it. I'm not sure what a techbro is, thought it was just a techie who goes to the gym.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by racional »

TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #801
racional wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the sake of simplicity -- I'm assuming Trump won't win at this point (it could happen but the odds are looking quite low). And unlike Trump, the new administration won't simply drop-kick Ukraine or otherwise be in a hurry to cut a dirty deal just to get this thing over with. Yet you're fine with handwaving I'm not; I'm saying it's a question I'll trust to the Ukrainians to evaluate and decide for themselves. That…

>I'm assuming Trump won't win at this point (it could happen but the odds are looking quite low The odds are very much in trumps favor... what kind of rock have you been living under? [1] https://polymarket.com/event/presidential-election-winner-20...

Not the one you're living under, thankfully.

One can think of different ways to assess the likely outcome of an election -- but a betting market (with its gigantic built-in biases) would have to be one of the dodgiest.

Meanwhile reliable polls show a steady Harris lead.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by edem »

warkdarrior wrote: post #64
weberer wrote: post #21

I've noticed an uptick recently of large brands to start referring to themselves as "The [Brand] Community". The author pointed out Youtube here (who in an Orwellian manner calls their ToS "community guidelines") but I've also seen it with many other multi-million dollar companies such as Reddit, Twitter, etc. Young people today are reaching out for real support structures, but only receiving manipulation from corpor…

Frankly, same thing with a lot of OSS projects. Everything is a "community," joyously writing code together and following community guidelines while singing and dancing! It's grotesque.

I'm also everybody's "fren", and WAGMI...

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by joe_the_user »

MaxikCZ wrote: post #28
joe_the_user wrote: post #2

There are so many candidates for causes here. Thinking about and watching climate change can't be good for, say, a teenager imagining their future. Of course, that teenager is also watching the world not coming together to solve this problem so you could say the situation is connected to "loss of community" in a way.

Im not a teenager, but really climate change is not _the_ concern I have about world that makes me disilusioned about our society. Its more the world-scope corruption and everpresent dog-eat-dog mentality thats keeping me disinterested from improving anything.

I don't understand why one wouldn't see inaction on climate change as part and parcel of world-scope corruption and everpresent dog-eat-dog mentality.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by harimau777 »

dh2022 wrote: post #785
harimau777 wrote: post #710

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That's just semantics. Whether we want to call them left wing forms of capitalism or moderate forms of socialism isn't really important. What's important is that there ARE nations with successful economic systems that are better than what people call "late stage capitalism".

These successful economic systems are still based on private ownership rights and the right to assemble (in this context the right to form business partnerships with low exit costs). In other words: the core capitalist building blocks.

Like I said, what you call them isn't the point. The point is that there are better options than what we currently have.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by harimau777 »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #775
harimau777 wrote: post #659

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The welfare states of Western Europe and the Nordic countries seem much better than America's system of late stage capitalism and they have not lead to mass starvation or total collapse. Likewise, America's economy seemed to be much more healthy when it had a more active/successful labor movement.

Those welfare states only exist as such because the US subsidizes their drug discovery, R&D, defense, spooks, and related. Without the US taking one for the team, Europe could not maintain its social democracies or its welfare states.

Then I think that the US should stop taking one for the team and we can work from there.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by theossuary »

dh2022 wrote: post #785
harimau777 wrote: post #710

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's just semantics. Whether we want to call them left wing forms of capitalism or moderate forms of socialism isn't really important. What's important is that there ARE nations with successful economic systems that are better than what people call "late stage capitalism".

These successful economic systems are still based on private ownership rights and the right to assemble (in this context the right to form business partnerships with low exit costs). In other words: the core capitalist building blocks.

That's like saying anything with four tires and a motor is a sedan. Name economic systems (including socialism) have the right to create businesses and own property. Capitalism is ownership of private ventures by an investment class who reap the profits (paying the employees as little as possible); socialism is when companies are owned collectively (most may be owned by employees, some may be owned nationally). Everything else is unrelated.
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