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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by gottorf »

iudqnolq wrote: post #704
gottorf wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

Interestingly various European nations turn out to be a poor comparison group for the United States. No one has conclusively determined why yet, but we know there's a strong correlation between a country having English as the primary language and immigrants integrating well. This is especially true for second-generation immigrants. First generation immigrants are general less likely to commit crimes, but in countries…

> No one has conclusively determined why yet, but we know there's a strong correlation between a country having English as the primary language and immigrants integrating well.

To me this has a simple answer: (Western) countries with English as the primary language are all New World countries, with the obvious exception of the British Isles nations.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by cced »

ekianjo wrote: post #793
mfru wrote: post #760

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> After spending a couple weeks in Cuba it’s not hard to see why. Which is the consequence of being sanctioned into oblivion for decades by the global hegemon, much to the dislike of the entire rest of the world.

> Which is the consequence of being sanctioned into oblivion for decades by the global hegemon or the consequence of having a clueless communist regime, since most communist countries do very poorly economically. Sanctions rarely give the whole picture.

Opinions like these are the reason why this “communism v capitalism” discussion never evolves beyond “them bad us good”.

China is often the target of anti communist propaganda so how do you square that hole? 1# economy when looking at GDP(PPP) so your “analysis” falls short.

Communist “regimes” often have to deal with outside interference from the “superior” capitalist system.

OP’s point is extremely valid: Cuba does not have the right to self determination as other countries impose themselves on them and prevent their economic growth.

The Cuba case is really quite interesting when you compare it to more recent cases of indivisibility of security.

We all have short memories I guess, super heros and cartoon villains.

Never change hn.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by gosub100 »

mfru wrote: post #760
mattmaroon wrote: post #730

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Doesn’t brain drain imply the smarter people are moving? I’m not sure that’s what’s happening here. I think it’s anyone who can get out. When I was in Havana our AirBnB was next to the Spanish embassy. There was a long line every morning of potential emigres waiting for their turn. (I have no idea how the process works when they get to the front of the line, I just was told they were trying to get out of the country…

> After spending a couple weeks in Cuba it’s not hard to see why. Which is the consequence of being sanctioned into oblivion for decades by the global hegemon, much to the dislike of the entire rest of the world.

we criticize ourselves for sanctioning communist countries, but don't they necessarily have to be hostile to capitalist nations? I mean, assume their communism is working properly and "everyone gets the same" for all resources. Its pretty much a given that that level of resources will be less than a capitalist nation. If we accept the axiom that each person wants to maximize their resources, then we should expect a natural outflow from the communist nation to the capitalist one. In order to limit that, any ruler would be incentivized to pain the capitalist world as the enemy or make it a crime to affiliate/sympathize with them. this naturally leads to conflict between nations.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by 0dayz »

epolanski wrote: post #178
kjellsbells wrote: post #137

The problem commonly skated over is that two views cam be true at once. For example: - the "Batista" regime was dictatorial and repressive. The people fought back with Castro. The first wave of people to land in Miami were essentially the moneyed class who lost everything. Unsurprisingly they hate the Castro regime and its descendents. The US government were happy to accommodate them under the guise of anti communism…

> the "Castro" regime is dictatorial and repressive. As someone whose family comes from the former Soviet union, and has friends that come from other repressive places let me tell you that this really doesn't matter. Economy and how you are doing are what matters in the day to day life of people. People really don't think about the oppression or lack of elections, they care how much they need to suffer to put food on…

This is a terrible example, the USSR deliberately ensured that people were uninformed and uninterested in politics as interest in politics is a huge security concern for an authoritarian state.

The really issue in democratic countries is that people are becoming complacent and passive in upholding and participing in democracy.

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Post by xkcd1963 »

stainablesteel wrote: post #799
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

i dont want to support the brain drain of other countries, it will leave too many hungry and desperate and this will sow seeds for future wars

That is kind of a one-sided view. There is plenty of opportunity arising for those that stay too.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by gottorf »

stouset wrote: post #594
gottorf wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

> You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. Then I have great news for them! Immigrants to the U.S. are responsible for fewer crimes per capita than native-born Americans.

To my knowledge, there is no version of this claim that distinguishes between illegal and legal immigrants. (I'd be happy to be proven wrong.) In fact, it would be silly to claim that illegal immigrants as a group commit fewer crimes per capita than natives, since 100% of them have already violated laws by being on US soil to begin with.

Legal immigrants, on the other hand, are absolutely less likely to engage in criminal behavior than the general population, because they are both selected for positive traits as well as knowing that a criminal record will jeopardize their chances of citizenship.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by 0dayz »

inglor_cz wrote: post #177
OJFord wrote: post #160

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Wasn't that deliberate oppression though? Not that I'm pro-communism as an ideal or anything (I favour free-market conservatism) I'm just not sure it can be blamed for ineptitude/mismanagement there as the joke implies?

It was mostly incompetence mixed with a lot of corruption and petty theft. Publicly owned businesses had no incentives to compete on quality, had to fulfill centralized plans designed by distant bureaucrats that weren't completely attached to reality. Western products were mostly unavailable or extremely costly, so no substitution possible. Lots of ossified monopolies. Factory leaders were often chosen on the base of…

To be fair karl Marx was very knowledgeable on economics and we still use part of his work in economics.

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Post by brookst »

lr4444lr wrote: post #798
mfru wrote: post #760

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> After spending a couple weeks in Cuba it’s not hard to see why. Which is the consequence of being sanctioned into oblivion for decades by the global hegemon, much to the dislike of the entire rest of the world.

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Are you saying that the massive multi-decade US sanctions had no impact?
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