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US drug control agency will move to reclassify marijuana

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Re: US drug control agency will move to reclassify marijuana

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Post by red-iron-pine »

justinator wrote: post #384
ncr100 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

THEREFORE they will be able to move CASH money out of their stores TO BANKS, resulting in fewer "smash and grab" incidents ... aka, "Hyundai meet storefront of weed shop." Looking forward to this, silly to see so many Kia "boys" being used for gross violence crimes when regulation changes could lessen it. > https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/seattle-pot-shop-cr... for example

I guess the weed can still be stolen

Can't buy shit with weed. Gotta sell it. And that has time requirements and risks to you (including getting robbed yourself).

Meanwhile these are cash-only businesses, so if you're gonna steal then go for the money. Esp. since most dispensaries I've seen do a reasonably brisk business.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

mattmaroon wrote: post #371
coffeebeqn wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they have jurisdiction to go and do that?

The Silver Platter doctrine prevents your financial institutions from handing over that data unbidden, but they can do so by request from law enforcement.

which law enforcement can get, trivially, if they're prosecuting a felony.

it's just a function of time and process, and while you can dispose of plants and bury money in your back yard, you can't undo old bank transactions. 20 years later those records may not be a thing, but last year sure will be...

Re: US drug control agency will move to reclassify marijuana

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Post by red-iron-pine »

somenameforme wrote: post #598
JojoFatsani wrote: post #468

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they’re legal drugs

Reclassified, not legalized. As per the article it will now be classified along anabolic steroids, ketamine, and other such things.

which is to say, still illegal, just that you won't get 25 to life for a few plants.

DEA isn't kicking down doors to bust dudes doin 'roids, mostly nailing low-hanging fruit like doctors who blatantly spam fake steroid prescriptions

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Post by red-iron-pine »

m463 wrote: post #432
mannyv wrote: post #56

One major effect of this is that weed stores will be able to use banks and payment processors legally once the regulators catch up.

I wonder if this means more tracking of drug purchases. Does alcohol consumption show up on credit card bills and filter back to insurance companies?

they might not be able to see the purchases if you're in a state where you can buy booze in a 7/11 or grocery store; in that case it's just a grocery purchase. but they sure as hell can see that you have a charge from "CORNER LIQUOR STORE - $47.61 - 12 APRIL 2024" and can make guesses.

This also assumes that grocery stores aren't aggressively aggregating and selling sales data, esp. those from Membership Cards. Insurance companies would love to get a hold of that data, not only for alcohol, but things like sugar and junk food purchases. I'd bet my hat they're already doing so.

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Post by canadianfella »

ncr100 wrote: post #75
mannyv wrote: post #56

One major effect of this is that weed stores will be able to use banks and payment processors legally once the regulators catch up.

THEREFORE they will be able to move CASH money out of their stores TO BANKS, resulting in fewer "smash and grab" incidents ... aka, "Hyundai meet storefront of weed shop." Looking forward to this, silly to see so many Kia "boys" being used for gross violence crimes when regulation changes could lessen it. > https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/seattle-pot-shop-cr... for example

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Post by starspangled »

rsingel wrote: post #744
starspangled wrote: post #620

The greatest thing about tight, upcoming elections is that governments actually start to do a tiny bit of what people want. Great result.

You are underestimating the time it takes to get stuff done in a big bureaucracy AND the fear of the Congressional Review Act. It's the nuclear option where Congress not only reverses an agency decision but also ban the agency from ever doing that thing again in the future. But Congress can only go far back so agencies are racing to put out regulations now so that a potentially hostile Congress in 2024 can't undo wha…

I'm not underestimating that, I think the timing of this approval was probably politically motivated.

Sure things can take a long time when people want to slow them down or don't care about them. But things can move extraordinarily quickly when it comes to moving billions of dollars into the pockets of friends. That's basically my point.

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Post by starspangled »

p1esk wrote: post #640
starspangled wrote: post #620

The greatest thing about tight, upcoming elections is that governments actually start to do a tiny bit of what people want. Great result.

Unfortunately different people often want different things.

Yes they do, for example lobbyists and donors and buddies want to get rich at the expense of the country and its people, and the common plebs don't want that.

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Post by starspangled »

refurb wrote: post #717
starspangled wrote: post #620

The greatest thing about tight, upcoming elections is that governments actually start to do a tiny bit of what people want. Great result.

Do you think that’s driving this decision? From what I gathered the DEA was looking at this over the past few years. It wasn’t a Presidential decision.

I think it is driving the decision yes, and I think bureaucracies are hopelessly politicized and corrupted.

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Post by berniedurfee »

danielscrubs wrote: post #594
ncr100 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

THEREFORE they will be able to move CASH money out of their stores TO BANKS, resulting in fewer "smash and grab" incidents ... aka, "Hyundai meet storefront of weed shop." Looking forward to this, silly to see so many Kia "boys" being used for gross violence crimes when regulation changes could lessen it. > https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/seattle-pot-shop-cr... for example

The poverty and gangster culture is going to stay the same so this seems like a weird kind of social take, I mean wont grifters just find another way to hurt common folk? I mean... I can leave a 2000 USD Macbook for a toilet break in Starbucks over here without any issues and have done so regularly.

Which Starbucks?

Re: US drug control agency will move to reclassify marijuana

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Post by somenameforme »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #775
somenameforme wrote: post #743

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's quite a lot of great ways to get through the muck. For currently happening events, simply look at the various contradictory views, and find where they intersect. It's in that spot that one will nearly always find the truth. For past events, where the clear truth has come out, go back and visit various sites using something like archive.org. It often becomes quite clear which groups are making impartia…

I’m not quite sure if you’re suggesting that the middle ground is usually correct, but I think that heuristic fails on a lot of important issues.

That's not at all what I'm saying. Let's say side one in a war says a school was bombed and 40 innocent people were killed. The other side says they attacked a school that was housing soldiers and killed 10. What can you take away from this? Well the facts that both sides agree upon - that a school building was bombed and at least 10 people were killed. You miss the details and narrative, but that's probably a feature more than a bug anyhow. There's a great quote from Thomas Jefferson [1] that hits on a similar concept (as well as the Gell Mann amnesia effect!) :

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To your request of my opinion of the manner in which a newspaper should be conducted, so as to be most useful, I should answer, “by restraining it to true facts & sound principles only.” Yet I fear such a paper would find few subscribers. It is a melancholy truth, that a suppression of the press could not more compleatly deprive the nation of it's benefits, than is done by it's abandoned prostitution to falsehood.

Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day. I really look with commiseration over the great body of my fellow citizens, who, reading newspapers, live & die in the belief, that they have known something of what has been passing in the world in their time; whereas the accounts they have read in newspapers are just as true a history of any other period of the world as of the present, except that the real names of the day are affixed to their fables.

General facts may indeed be collected from them, such as that Europe is now at war, that Bonaparte has been a successful warrior, that he has subjected a great portion of Europe to his will, &c., &c.; but no details can be relied on. I will add, that the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. He who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false.

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[1] - https://www.loc.gov/resource/mtj1.038_0592_0594/?sp=2&st=tex...

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