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The man who killed Google Search?

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Post by JohnFen »

jokoon wrote: post #361
JohnFen wrote: post #264

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> where he argued against the other search leads that Google should use less machine-learning This better echoes my personal experience with the decline of Google search than TFA: it seems to be connected to the increasing use of ML in that the more of it Google put in, the worse the results I got were.

that's not something ML people would like to hear

Well, it depends on the ML person. I work on industrial ML and DL systems every day and I'm the one who made that comment.

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ajross wrote: post #524
oblio wrote: post #364

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Is ML the new SOAP? Looks like a silver bullet and 5 years later you're drowning in complexity for no discernible reason?

So... obviously SOAP was dumb[1], and lots of people saw that at the time. But SOAP was dumb in obvious ways, and it failed for obvious reasons, and really no one was surprised at all. ML isn't like that. It's new. It's different. It may not succeed in the ways we expect; it may even look dumb in hindsight. But it absolutely represents a genuinely new paradigm for computing and is worth studying and understanding on…

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Post by zaphar »

throwaway35777 wrote: post #95
zaphar wrote: post #38

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As a Xoogler from 2007-2013 it saddens me to hear how it's changed since I was there. At the time it was definitely one of the best places to work in tech for me at least.

Are there any places like it nowadays?

I'm sure there are but they can be hard to find. Most of them will be smaller companies with really stellar hiring.

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rvba wrote: post #715
willvarfar wrote: post #708

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I think a case can be made that the spam problem can be traced all the way back to Google buying Doubleclick. Its really easy to spot the crap websites that are scaping content-creating websites ... because they monetize by adding ads. If Google was _only_ selling ads on the search results page, then it could promote websites that are sans ads. Instead, it is incentivised to push users to websites that contain ads, b…

They hired people who introduce Jack Welch methods. This is like in that Steve Jobs video about product people being kicked out and exchanged by ones who dont care about product: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VBqTViEx4 They will not make good search. That is not their priority.

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Post by dpkirchner »

utopcell wrote: post #553
pphysch wrote: post #288

Countdown to when Google releases a Kagi competitor "Premium Search" that bundles ad-free, configurable Search with their SOTA Gemini model...

Google has done this. They did offer a paid version that didn't have ads, but few actually used it.

They also offered an official way to exclude domains from results.

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Post by aws_ls »

eatsyourtacos wrote: post #353

ChatGPT is my default now basically.. almost anything I search for is technical in nature and it gives me the proper result almost all the time. Even if it's setting up a dedicated server for a game etc

For me google search is still useful for weather, stock prices, flight prices, maps, also to reliably navigate to a website(e.g. of a bank).

But for all other (code/health/taxes/so many others) queries use chatgpt. For code occasionally need to go to API docs, if chatgpt (v4) hallucinates. Not very often, but does happen, if the requirement gets complicated, example involve some specific (older) versions of certain APIs.

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Post by dekhn »

robryk wrote: post #405
dekhn wrote: post #279

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Because it's too vacuous and based on subjective morals to be realistically followed. I also think we need engineers who do jobs that are ugly to preserve our freedom.

I don't see why subjective morals cannot be realistically followed. Do you mean that it will mean sufficiently different things for different people that they any promise of this shape will not communicate much to strangers, or something else?

yes, it communicates nothing. As mentioned by another commenter, it's effectively aspirational ethics, and I do not work towards aspirations, I work towards reality.

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Post by paradox460 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #517
paradox460 wrote: post #514

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That's not something Google invented, it comes from erlang. Systems in erlang (and other beam langs) are designed to fail and die, and get restarted by the supervisory tree.

Good observation. I really need to get around to learning erlang. It's probably worth mentioning that hypothetically, One could take the source code and port it to third party libraries and kubernetes. But I can't help but think that that would be about as much work as clean rooming it from scratch based on a feature description.

There are projects to do just that. Afaik there's one for rust, and akka for scala
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