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Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by NoPicklez »

TillE wrote: post #303
m_a_g wrote: post #227

I wonder why the EU is pushing Apple this hard, and not the other gatekeepers. For example, Xbox, Playstation, and Nintendo consoles should now support an external store.

> other gatekeepers Because they are not "gatekeepers", a term defined by the DMA which focuses on specific sectors. Also the video game ecosystem is pretty healthy these days, with nearly every major game available on Windows at launch or a few months later. As a matter of market competition , letting you hack your game console or smart TV or whatever just isn't that relevant.

I like how in this scenario people are happy to quote particular areas of law or DMA to excuse opening up consoles. But when Apple do it people just simply want more freedom regardless of what the law says, which isn't that what would be the case with consoles too?

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Post by endisneigh »

post_break wrote: post #798
gxs wrote: post #792

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Because people are incredibly entitled and want to have their cake and eat it too. So you bought an iPhone knowing you can’t download apps and then go cry because you can’t download apps? Then your argument is that well, all my friends have iPhones or there are some other good features, or whatever else you make up? So you obviously find value in the product, it’s missing a feature, but you will consciously buy it an…

Imagine there are only two restaurants in the world and they both only serve steak, yet when you want a salad people say go to the other restaurant.

This is a great metaphor because if we accept it then the salad is the web, yet no one wants that.

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Post by computer23 »

People need to stop using the word "sideloading". It's just loading. The normal behavior is to allow apps to be installed from any source.

I noticed Microsoft's developer documentation uses the word sideloading a lot: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/maui/windows/deploy...

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Post by simondotau »

brikym wrote: post #730
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #673

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The premise of a walled garden is to keep unwanted things out, not to imprison you inside. Apple maintaining a store where they've vetted everything in it is fine, and if you like you can refuse to install anything from outside of it. That doesn't justify them prohibiting you from installing anything from outside of it. It should be up to you. If you wanted to, you could even configure your phone to not add any new s…

A better metaphor would be the shops at an airport. The monopoly airport fleece the shops with high rent and in turn the shops fleece their customers with high prices.

A better metaphor would be the shops anywhere in your country. Governments and banks charge taxes and fees and in turn, through an elaborate architecture of laws and consequences, their customers don't have to wonder if their glass of water contains rotaviruses, or if the silverware has high levels of lead, or if 0.000014 BTC is gross overpayment for a hamburger, or if people in the next town will decide to rape and pillage sometime in the next hour.

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Post by smoldesu »

gxs wrote: post #792
endisneigh wrote: post #756

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I’m very curious how you have this position yet have a MacBook. Why not support a better company like framework?

Because people are incredibly entitled and want to have their cake and eat it too. So you bought an iPhone knowing you can’t download apps and then go cry because you can’t download apps? Then your argument is that well, all my friends have iPhones or there are some other good features, or whatever else you make up? So you obviously find value in the product, it’s missing a feature, but you will consciously buy it an…

Apple is the only one acting entitled here. Why doesn't the App Store deserve competitors? Why should we accept Apple's fees and failures when they deliberately limit competition?

They're acting like an anticompetitive wuss if you ask me. If Apple is the righteous one here (imagine that), they can pack up their bags and tell the whole EU to shove it. They can individually invite all 27 markets to kiss their ass and watch as the relevancy of Apple products plummets in the first world. Problem solved, Apple saves the day. 中国梦!

Or, they can take the king's ransom of iPhone revenue and surrender their asinine software double-standard. This doesn't end well for them either way, there's no sense it making it last longer.

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Post by OCASMv2 »

somat wrote: post #489

The whole app ecosystem(android and apple) is carefully constructed for maximum market owner value extraction, user value is a secondary consideration. Basically, it is what the web would look like if it were developed by corporate interests, conversely "apps" could have been a better designed web[1], but instead are this comparatively clunky gated process where you have to explicitly install the app first only then…

> The whole app ecosystem(android and apple) is carefully constructed for maximum market owner value extraction, user value is a secondary consideration.

And it has become the norm because both developers and consumers have readily and happily accepted that deal.

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Post by monocularvision »

noapologies wrote: post #793
throwaway2037 wrote: post #758

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Overall -- a great post. This part: > If commercial real estate charged XX% cuts of all sales from a business As I understand, for luxury fashion brands, this type of contract is sometimes used.

True, though the situation isn't exactly equivalent. Using another real estate analogy - Imagine you bought a house from Fruit Builders company. The house came with a pool. Now unlike every other pool in existence, this is a very special pool that just really cares about your privacy and security a lot. It won't let you use any random pool toy (it has lasers), no it must be a well-behaved toy that is rigorously teste…

Except in the real world, toys generally can’t do things like steal your private data and send confidential data to third parties.

If you’re going to come up with analogies, at least do something that is remotely applicable.

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Post by chii »

Nevermark wrote: post #786
endisneigh wrote: post #756

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I’m very curious how you have this position yet have a MacBook. Why not support a better company like framework?

I see this question a lot. People complain about the products that are best for them. Nobody (with the power to decide what they use) complains about a product long, unless it is still their best choice. And suppliers of products being complained about are not companies "not worth supporting". They are making the product that is the best fit for the complaining customer! They are not perfect. They can do better. So c…

and they're not "supporting" a company by merely buying their product.

They are deciding that said product is the best fit for price on their individual criteria.

To "support" would require you to make sacrifices - aka, buy an inferior/worse-fit product from a company you want to support, instead of from the company that actually offers the best-fit for yourself.

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Post by lobochrome »

docmars wrote: post #750

Oh the horror, it must be so hard for Apple to cave to an open system for these people. What will they ever do without their unbelievable tax on app profits simply for existing on their nearly unlimited real estate, that is, the web?! I have no sympathy for their concerns. I can download apps on my MacBook machines all day from many different sources, and it harms no one. While I understand the associated risks, comp…

Not to disagree with your main argument - but high end real estate often works that way. The developer is often cut into the topline of the stores.

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Post by gxs »

post_break wrote: post #798
gxs wrote: post #792

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because people are incredibly entitled and want to have their cake and eat it too. So you bought an iPhone knowing you can’t download apps and then go cry because you can’t download apps? Then your argument is that well, all my friends have iPhones or there are some other good features, or whatever else you make up? So you obviously find value in the product, it’s missing a feature, but you will consciously buy it an…

Imagine there are only two restaurants in the world and they both only serve steak, yet when you want a salad people say go to the other restaurant.

Except in this case your beloved android lets you do whatever you want, so why not go use them?

And there are multiple manufacturers that aren’t associated with Google who make phones.

If this were truly such a shortcoming, more companies, in addition to already existing ones, would create phones with side loading apps.

Imagine me pitching my idea to YC, it’s like an iPhone, but with side loading apps! It’s brilliant!

You’d be laughed out of the room.

The issue is you want those good Apple features, you want that Apple ecosystem, the blue bubbles, etc, but you also want to have a feature that the phone doesn’t have and people are crying that Apple won’t give them that feature.

I don’t even care, and I even if I did, decisions already been made so there’s nothing to argue.

This is simply an amusing situation, the grandstanding is simply funny.

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