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Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Post by lasfallas »

arein3 wrote: post #615
tuatoru wrote: post #508

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The battery market is not yet mature enough for this. When the big car manufacturers have all had another decade's experience selling EVs, and battery tech has stabilized, the logic of standardization and swapping will become apparent.

Swapping batteries makes sense for scooters because they are not heavy, and it is done already in asia. Swapping a battery that weighs a ton and is part of the car structure is another story completely. I think the more sensible solution is to have fast charging and a reliable network. 800 volt batteries and a good architecture enable incredible fast charging, and in the fjture it might be even faster. Combine that w…

Battery weight might decrease drastically with next gen tech.

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Post by petre »

toyg wrote: post #647
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> This does seem like more of a political play Agreed. That's why I added "At least that's what the EU says." The EU is clearly whining because the Chinese local market imploded, so they are now exporting more of their cars into the EU markets. Yet, articles like the linked one make it unclear to me what part of EV production is really subsidized and what part is not. I think it would be advisable to be cautious abou…

There might be more than reflexive whining at play, considering the review will include European manufacturers. The Commission might be trying to gear up towards some sort of EU-wide subsidy program to match the Chinese one. It's the sort of thing that individual EU governments are explicitly banned from, by Common Market rules; but when the push comes from some of the biggest German and French businesses, a solution…

Don't worry. The EU manufacturers will get slap on the wrist, while the Chinese ones shall be hit with huge fines, tariffs and other EU antics.

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

ddeck wrote: post #683
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Who's they? There were thousands of shcooters with swappable batteries riding around Taiwan when I was there in November.

Correct. Gogoro currently do more than 400,000 battery swaps / day, primarily in Taiwan, but are expanding into other Asian countries. https://www.gogoro.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gogoro

Never heard of these guys before, thanks. Insteresting. But it looks like they have severe limitations on the kinds of vehicles they support and their parameters. Would never use this as a daily driver for personal use.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Post by haspok »

troupo wrote: post #673
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Yeah - I was getting excited about having booked an EV for my Christmas holiday visiting family in the UK (with Hertz). Fortunately researching charging knocked some sense into me and I switched back to a ICE vehicle. - Even though I was staying in their house there was no way I could charge it without buying an expensive cable, or risking some cheap crap from Amazon (blow up the house or the rental car perhaps?) - E…

> Every damn thing needs an app EU is going to require all chargers to just work with credit cards: https://www.theverge.com/23806690/eu-ev-fast-charger-60km-la... --- start quote --- he regulation also requires that ad-hoc charging payments can be made via cards or contactless devices, without requiring a subscription. That should make it possible to pull over to any charging station from any network and charge your…

Wow, this is great news indeed! I never really understood how this was not regulated right from the start. But better late than never...

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Post by Dah00n »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #620
mulmen wrote: post #438

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Yeah but the Tesla implementations of these features still suck. "You get used to it" is a shitty sales pitch. Basically any other car with these features has a better implementation. Tesla does it different but not better . It isn't a matter of familiarity, these designs are just bad . My 15 year old BMW: Has seat memory tied to the key. I don't have to fiddle with a menu to save the setting. It just... remembers. H…

They really don't suck. The Tesla UI is the best I've ever used in why car. They're unfamiliar to you. The seat memory does remember. Not just for the physical key, but for your phone. You do nothing. If my wife gets in the car, it sets up the car for her. If I do, it sets it up for me. Neither of us touch anything, it's automatic depending on where our phones are. The steering buttons aren't labeled for a reason! Be…

That is mostly just your opinion, not facts. I returned my car because of problems like these (and the awful build quality). Not everyone agrees with what Tesla do, and that is fine.

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Post by light_hue_1 »

pandaman wrote: post #707
light_hue_1 wrote: post #620

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They really don't suck. The Tesla UI is the best I've ever used in why car. They're unfamiliar to you. The seat memory does remember. Not just for the physical key, but for your phone. You do nothing. If my wife gets in the car, it sets up the car for her. If I do, it sets it up for me. Neither of us touch anything, it's automatic depending on where our phones are. The steering buttons aren't labeled for a reason! Be…

>It doesn't need an idrive button. It has voice. Every car has voice, it just does not work well in the US because street and establishment names are often not real words in English, people don't know how they are pronounced and, even if they do, the car itself has different ideas about pronunciation. iDrive guarantees that you can get to the "Manet st" and not the "Monet st". >The Tesla does all the things you liste…

I never have trouble telling it what street I'm going to.

And no. I never go into the menus for the AC. I do it though voice.

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Post by light_hue_1 »

Dah00n wrote: post #805
light_hue_1 wrote: post #620

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They really don't suck. The Tesla UI is the best I've ever used in why car. They're unfamiliar to you. The seat memory does remember. Not just for the physical key, but for your phone. You do nothing. If my wife gets in the car, it sets up the car for her. If I do, it sets it up for me. Neither of us touch anything, it's automatic depending on where our phones are. The steering buttons aren't labeled for a reason! Be…

That is mostly just your opinion, not facts. I returned my car because of problems like these (and the awful build quality). Not everyone agrees with what Tesla do, and that is fine.

There are plenty of things to complain about. But the ones you mentioned are literally not problems. You just didn't know how to use the car if you needed phone interactions to open the car, or didn't have seat memory working, or didn't set up your steering buttons. That's not a matter of opinion, those are facts.

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Post by ibejoeb »

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Oh yeah? I will definitely look it up. Thanks for the info.

I was looking at used compact cars but the market was insane. Even with a COVID markup on the new Rio, the price was competitive with used Corollas/Civics that were 10 years old and had 75K+ miles. This is my 6th or 7th Hyundai/Kia and they've all been fantastic. Edit: I forgot but I have some bad news, Kia is probably killing the Rio so you might be out of luck. Makes sense as the dealerships heavily promote the For…

Yeah, looks like '23 was the last year. I'm also reading that it's a bit underpowered. I like small calls, but I don't like struggling to get a up hill. Though, I have driven a few Hyundai-labeled hatchbacks (can't remember the name) from around '15, and they were quite good. I don't know much about their operation. Is Kia the same underlying tech?

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Post by pandaman »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #806
pandaman wrote: post #707

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>It doesn't need an idrive button. It has voice. Every car has voice, it just does not work well in the US because street and establishment names are often not real words in English, people don't know how they are pronounced and, even if they do, the car itself has different ideas about pronunciation. iDrive guarantees that you can get to the "Manet st" and not the "Monet st". >The Tesla does all the things you liste…

I never have trouble telling it what street I'm going to. And no. I never go into the menus for the AC. I do it though voice.

>I never have trouble telling it what street I'm going to.

Well, good for you, perhaps you are the person the voice models had been trained on.

>And no. I never go into the menus for the AC. I do it though voice.

What about the passengers on the rear seat? And how is it "vastly better" to change the AC direction through voice than just to pull the lever until it's blowing in the right direction?

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Post by hyperdimension »

tredre3 wrote: post #426
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> They are also probably unaccustomed to the car's behavior when you lift the gas pedal completely It's been at least 4 years since I drove an EV so I don't remember what they do. I expect the car to slow down and eventually come to a halt. I remember that I wasn't surprised by anything in particular so it's probably what it did. What do Teslas do?

> What do Teslas do? Teslas do aggressive regen braking when you lift your foot. And it's not possible to disable that behavior, unlike other EVs. So-called single pedal driving isn't very familiar to most drivers, making it unsuitable for rentals where users would prefer not having a learning curve. Also if you ask the community how to disable regen braking you'll be told that you're driving it wrong, see: https://w…

How strong is regent braking compared to engine braking in a manual? Does it feel like just staying in the same gear? Downshifting one?
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