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Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by moffkalast »

bluescrn wrote: post #82
Slackwise wrote: post #44

I use PWAs extensively and Firefox decided they won't bother to implement them, so that's going to be a no from me. Rather than wanting the web platform to be first class, they really want it to languish as a second-class citizen. Really sad, seeing as they also fired devs, and invested in "AI" instead.

What's the real use case of PWAs? They just seem like another way to attempt to shift users from the 'proper web' into a place where blocking ads is more difficult. Personally, I wish we could purge the vast majority of 'apps' from the world, they shouldn't be apps in the first place, most have no need to run native code, they should be links to websites, sites that can work on more-or-less any device in any browser.

Getting a full screen view without having to go through the insane hassle of Ionic and the Play store every time you make a one line change? Really useful for various offline control web apps, though I admit it's a rounding error use case that most browsers are more hostile to every year with arbitrary restrictions around HTTP connections (did you know Safari's ATS policy now blocks fetch over unsecure connections, lmao). Web games come to mind as well I guess?

I'm still baffled that mobile browsers don't have the desktop equivalent of F11. Or a console for that matter, the ADB is good and all but it's not always an option.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by Zetobal »

pjerem wrote: post #800
Zetobal wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just fork it. I don't have a problem with the tech I have a problem with the corp that governs it. Because in their last Annual Report they see the future of Mozilla in AI services...and that's not what's going to get usershare back.

You can fork it but Google will still be the main maintainer but also the promoter of new APIs so your fork will be forced to either implement those new APIs or to accept their upstream changes. With multiple engines that have a big enough user base, you force the actors to negotiate standards. What will you do with your fork when Google will start to implement a replacement for HTML like they tried to do with Dart o…

We are talking about Firefox.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by soundnote »

aAaaArrRgH wrote: post #797
soundnote wrote: post #735

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Brave. Seriously. Turn off a few things at first boot, it won't bother you after and is just nice and clean: https://i.imgur.com/tuMGc3c.png

Still based on Chromium though, so the Manifest v3 drama about Google trying to sabotage adblockers still applies.

Doesn't. Brave's adblockers are not an extension, they're integrated directly into the browser so they don't care what happens with extension APIs. Same reason they can do CNAME unmasking, which uBO can't on Chromium but can do on Firefox.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by nsagent »

Springtime wrote: post #777
pivo wrote: post #555

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Ok, but obviously in this case you can check the "Don't show me this message again" checkbox and, like me, you'll have had to endure the burden of responding to this nag just once in years of using Firefox. I may be forgetting about nags that don't allow themselves to be disabled, but if so, they're infrequent enough that they seem insignificant and obviously non-memorable. Edit: I should add, when I had to have Chro…

Firefox for many versions now has no way to disable update notification messages, which will repeatedly appear as a popup from the addressbar on every launch, unless one creates a new file with particular content. Even if one wants a particular version for testing. Chromium doesn't do this ime. And this isn't to say it's a reason not to use FF but it is a counter-example to simply being able to dismiss something with…

Not just every launch, but also if you leave it long enough, it'll pop up again during the same session. This was what made me finally uninstall it.

And while Firefox has lots of flags and ways to tweak things like this, it's not straightforward and requires time to interrupt my workflow to address. Definitely not worth it for me on macOS. I might change my tune if I switch to Linux, but at that point I'll likely look into something like LibreWolf.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by latexr »

redcobra762 wrote: post #708
latexr wrote: post #553

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Are you saying that, by default and without any account, the official YouTube iOS app does not display ads? Then why are there so many alternative frontends which have ad blocking as a feature and Reddit is littered with threads asking how to block ads in the app?

Nope, the question was whether or not the YouTube app played video without ads and allowed downloads. It does both.

It only does it if you have a paid account, which is clearly not what the original commenter was referring to.

It’s your prerogative to not block ads and to spoon feed all your watch data to Google for easy monetisation and tracking, but it’s clear the original comment wasn’t talking about that route. YouTube is clearly not “the perfect app” in that person’s view when it requires an extra paid service and a higher loss of privacy.

Frankly, from your other replies it seems like you realise this. Which makes this exchange a massive waste of time for everyone. Please don’t purposely fuel disagreements.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by redcobra762 »

latexr wrote: post #807
redcobra762 wrote: post #708

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, the question was whether or not the YouTube app played video without ads and allowed downloads. It does both.

It only does it if you have a paid account , which is clearly not what the original commenter was referring to. It’s your prerogative to not block ads and to spoon feed all your watch data to Google for easy monetisation and tracking, but it’s clear the original comment wasn’t talking about that route. YouTube is clearly not “the perfect app” in that person’s view when it requires an extra paid service and a higher l…

What I realize is the content you’re so brazenly feeling entitled to cost money to produce, and the idea that your loss of privacy justifies your theft is absurd.

You’re not starving, this isn’t food.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by djhn »

graphe wrote: post #683
EvanAnderson wrote: post #678

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Absolutely, yes. They will be empowered by tools they don't yet have to make it feasible to slowly "boil the frog". Remote attestation is just such a tool.

The frogs already moved onto 4chan, twitter, TikTok, reddit, or YouTube for news. Even here at HN everyone uses archive. Publishers are dead. Nobody checks fox/cnn for the latest breaking news or needs to hear some anchor/journalist tell them what their handlers told them to say.

This is not true outside of a small bubble.

In Europe traditional media still enjoys relatively high public trust and high circulation. Weekly reach of traditional news media is at 80% to 90% of adult population in the Nordic countries compared to 50-70% of all social media combined, depending on the country.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by aloukissas »

pacomerh wrote: post #638
aloukissas wrote: post #117

Surprised nobody mentions this: Firefox DevTools are so, so much better than Chrome's, especially shining in two areas: (a) inspecting layouts with flex/grid; (b) inspecting websocket traffic. Been using FF for 10+ years, never looked back.

What about performance insights? Chrome is pretty good at this

I've never used it tbh
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