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Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by osti »

frant-hartm wrote: post #605
osti wrote: post #35

Pretty underwhelming a bit like the A16 release. They basically upped the frequency in A16 and that's how they got their single core performance improvement, not much of an IPC increase to speak of. Looks like the it will be the same story here given the performance numbers Apple gave. A16 also came with a power consumption increase so the 3nm process from TSMC is disappointing as well.

Isn't this typical tick-tock move? Don't change too many things at once - they are moving to the new process so probably not too many changes in the architecture, only increase in frequency for same power consumption allowed by the better process.

Now it's more like tick-tock-tock with m1, m2 and m3.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by prmoustache »

klohto wrote: post #734
prmoustache wrote: post #651

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A container that is idle and do not serve any request only really as memory in its footprint. There is no reason having tens or hundreds of processes not occupying cpu and i/o time would affect battery life in a significant manner.

Bro and where do you think the containers and scheduler run? There is a whole linux underneath running all the time

Only one kernel and scheduler for all the containers, that doesn't have a lot to do if most of the processes are idle.

And I am not your bro.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by ffgjgf1 »

saagarjha wrote: post #307
lathiat wrote: post #233

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I really, really wish they would fix this silly display scan-out limitation. I gave them a (frustrating) pass on the M1 given it was the first evolution from iPhone/iPad where it wouldn't have mattered. But seems silly to have made it all the way to the M3. Wanting to dock onto two displays even at the low end doesn't seem like such a niche use-case. I'm sure there is some kind of technical explanation but both Intel…

Display pipelines are expensive and take area.

Unless you’re Intel?

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by gosub100 »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #438
kivlad wrote: post #160

A few things I noticed, as I'm seeing the variety of SKUs becoming more complex. - Note that memory bandwidth is down. M2 Pro had 200GB/s, M3 Pro only has 150GB/s. M3 Max only has 400GB/s on the higher binned part. - Just like the low-spec M3 14" has one fewer Thunderbolt port, it also doesn't officially support Thunderbolt 4 (like M1/M2 before it) - The M3 Pro loses the option for an 8TB SSD. Likely because it was a…

I'm wondering now if Apple tracks this sort of stuff in their released machines. I know my iPad always asks me if I want to send stats to Apple (and I always say no). So let's say that enough people do, then do they have a good idea of how often all the performance cores are used? Max memory B/W consumed? Stuff like that. Back when I was at Intel there were always interesting tradeoffs between available silicon/therm…

> asks me if I want to send stats to Apple (and I always say no)

so you like them enough to pay them thousands for the premium product, but not enough to tell them how much CPU you use?

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by smrtinsert »

superkuh wrote: post #238
throw0101a wrote: post #16

I'd prefer if there'd be higher RAM limits for each variant: * ~~Ultra~~ Max probably has an adequate limit with "up to" 128GB * Pro would be nicer to have "up to" (say) 64GB, rather than 'only' 36GB * Base perhaps "up to" 32GB, rather than 24GB There are some situations (running a VM or three with different OS(es)) where there really isn't a substitute for more bits.

I just hope they stop selling 8GB variants entirely. All those do is make job security for tech support people.

Completely disagree. Happily run Intellij with various containers doing dev work on my 8gb m1.

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Post by jonpalmisc »

mrcwinn wrote: post #793
paulpan wrote: post #784

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The new M3 14" MBP seems to be a red herring - why does it even exist? Why not just refresh the MBA instead? An obvious rule of thumb is for "Pro"-branded laptops to only use "Pro"-branded chips. It's what they follow for the iPhone lineup, but I suppose iPad Pros also use non-Pro chips. Just seems like a very confusing SKU to create, and definitely something Steve wouldn't approve of.

I personally struggle with the 14". It feels too small to be productive on, at least for coding. Anyone else experience this? And yet, the MBA's screen in comparison is serviceable and nice, but nothing outstanding. That's the case for the MBP 14 (when the 16 is just too large and bulky).

I find it to be the perfect size actually. Easily in a backpack and is light, and can use it on the couch, etc. comfortably. I’d never buy a 16” laptop.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by dmix »

gtirloni wrote: post #695
nomel wrote: post #231

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Apple hasn’t had any plastic devices for some time now.

I'm referring to the 2010 polycarbonate one here: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/specs/macbook-cor... Not sure why my initial comment is -4 votes right now. What am I remembering wrong?

Nothing it’s a perfectly fine question, just maybe off topic.
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