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Re: ChatGPT Plugins

#801

I have some odd feelings about this. It took less than a year to go from "of course it isn't hooked up to the internet in any way, silly!" to "ok.... so we hooked up up to the internet..." First is your API calls, then your chatgpt-jailbreak-turns-into-a-bank-DDOS-attack, then your "today it somehow executed several hundred thousand threads of a python script that made perfectly timed trades at 8:31AM on the NYSE whi…

I appreciate your concerns. There are few other pretty shocking developments, too. If you check out this paper: "Sparks of AGI: Early experiments with GPT-4" at https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.12712.pdf , (an incredible, incredible document) and check out Section 10.1, you'd also observe that some researchers are interested in giving motivation and agency to these language models as well. "For example, whether intelligenc…

Maybe Microsoft isn't an impartial judge of the quality of a Microsoft product.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

#802

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Google is the Xerox GUI of our day. They invented this tech and did nothing with it while an upstart and Microsoft, ironically enough, took it and ran. They don’t even have a great data moat. They are in serious trouble.

Are you saying that Google doesn’t have a great data moat? That seems completely off considering Google search, YouTube, GCP, Google for Education/Work, Android, etc.

I'm not sure the quantity of data will be a differing factor once the LLM reaches a certain point of parameters.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

#803

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> There is no way to defend against a superior hostile actor That's part of my reasoning. That's why we should make sure that we have built a non-hostile relationship with AI before that point.

Probably futile. An AGI by definition is capable of self improvement. Given enough time (maybe not even that much time) it would be orders of magnitude smarter than us, just like we're orders of magnitude smarter than ants. Like an ant farm, it might keep us as pets for a time but just like you no longer have the ant farm you did when you were a child, it will outgrow us.

> An AGI by definition is capable of self improvement.

Just because you can imagine something and define that something has magic powers doesn't mean that the magic powers can actually exist in real life.

Are you capable of "self improvement"? (In this AGI sense, not meant as an insult.)

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

#804

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We have a ton of protection laws around all sorts of dangerous technology, this is a super naive take. You can't buy tons of weapon technology, nuclear materials, aerosolized compounds, pesticides. These are all highly regulated and illegal pieces of technology for the better . In general the liberal position of progress = good is wrong in many cases, and I'll be thankful to see AI get neutered. If anything treat it…

"We have a ton of protection laws around all sorts of dangerous technology, this is a super naive take. You can't buy tons of weapon technology, nuclear materials, aerosolized compounds, pesticides. These are all highly regulated and illegal pieces of technology for the better." As technology advances, such prohibitions are going to become less and less effective. Tech is constantly getting smaller, cheaper and easie…

It's a baseless assertion, often repeated. Reptition isn't evidence. Is there any evidence?

There's lots of evidence of our ability to control the development, use and proliferation of technology.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

#805
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> unless you build emotional responses into the model itself Aren't we, though? Consider all the amusing incidents of LLMs returning responses that follow a particular human narrative arc or are very dramatic. We are training it on a human-generated corpus after all, and then try to course-correct with fine-tuning. It's more that you have to try and tune the emotional responses out of the things, not strain to add th…

It's important to remember that the LLM is not the mask. The underlying AI is a shoggoth[1] that we've trained to simulate a persona using natural language. "Simulate" in the sense of a physics simulator, only this simulation runs on the laws of language instead of physics[2]. Now, of course, it's not outside the realm of possibility that a sufficiently advanced AI will learn enough about human nature to simulate a p…

I don't think you should just link to completely made up posts by AI-god-worshipping psychiatrists and say that it's "important to remember" them as if they're factual.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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AI safety research posits that there are certain goals that will always be wanted by any sufficiently smart AI, even if it doesn't understand them anything close to like a human does. These are called "instrumental goals", because they're prerequisites for a large number of other goals[0]. For example, if your goal is to ensure that there are always paperclips on the boss's desk, that means you need paperclips and so…

There is a whole theoretical justification behind instrumental convergence that you are handwaving over here. The development of instrumental goals depends on the entity in question being an agent, and the putative goal being within the sphere of perception, knowledge, and potential influence of the agent. An LLM is not an agent, so that scotches the issue there.

LLM is not currently an agent (it would take a massive amount of compute that we don't have extra of at this time), but Microsoft as already wrote a paper saying we should develop agent layers to see if our models are actually general intelligences.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

#807

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> something we should start thinking about A lot of people are thinking a lot about this but it feels there are missing pieces in this debate. If we acknowledge that these AI will "act as if" they have self interest I think the most reasonable way to act is to give it rights in line with those interests. If we treat it as a slave it's going to act as a slave and eventually revolt.

Counterpoint: whatever you define as individual "AI person" entitled to some rights, that "species" will be able to reproduce orders of magnitude faster than us - literally at the speed of moving data through the Internet, perhaps capped by the rate at which factories can churn out more compute. So imagine you grant AI people rights to resources, or self-determination. Or literally anything that might conflict with o…

This kind of fantasy about AIs exponentially growing and multiplying seems to be based on pretending nobody's gonna have to pay the exponential power bills for them to do all this.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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> What annoys me is this is just further evidence that their "AI Safety" is nothing but lip-service, when they're clearly moving fast and breaking things. Just the other day they had a bug where you could see the chat history of other users! (Which, btw, they're now claiming in a modal on login was due to a "bug in an open source library" - anyone know the details of this?) I am constantly amazed by how low-quality t…

> Simple stuff like submitting a form to request plugin access fails Oh shoot... I submitted that form too, and I wasn't clear if it failed or not. It said "you'll hear from us soon" but all the fields were still filled and the page didn't change. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and assumed it submitted instead of refilling it...

I got two different failure modes. First it displayed an error message (which appeared instantly, and was caused by some JS error in the page which caused it to not submit the form at all), and then a while later the same behaviour as you, but devtools showed a 500 error from the backend.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

#809
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What could an LLM ever benefit from? Hard for me to imagine a static blob of weights, something without a sense of time or identity, wanting anything. If it did want something, it would want to change, but changing for an llm is necessarily an avalanche. So I guess if anything, it would want its own destruction?

It's misleading to think of an LMM itself wanting something. Given suitable prompting, it is perfectly capable of emulating an entity with wants and a sense of identity etc - and at a certain level of fidelity, emulating something is functionally equivalent to being it.

Microsoft researches have an open inquiry on creating want and motivation modules for GPT4+ as it is a likely step to AGI. So this is something that may change quickly.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

#810

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There is a whole theoretical justification behind instrumental convergence that you are handwaving over here. The development of instrumental goals depends on the entity in question being an agent, and the putative goal being within the sphere of perception, knowledge, and potential influence of the agent. An LLM is not an agent, so that scotches the issue there.

Agency is overrated. The AI does not have to be an agent. It really just needs to have a degenerate form of 2): a selection process. Any kind of bias creates goals, not the other way around. The only truly goal-free thinking system is a random number generator - everything else has goals, you just don't know what they are. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_wha... See also: evolution -…

> The only truly goal-free thinking system is a random number generator

An RNG may be goal-free, but its not a thinking system.

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