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Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

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Wow, the government acted incredibly swiftly and decisively to crush the possibility of a general bank panic. The current US banking system is very different from the 2008 system.

your last sentence is demonstrably false!

What? No it's not. Love it or hate it (and I lean towards the former), Dodd-Frank has greatly changed American banking.

Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then the bank could make money by providing services to their customers. Which services? And those services would need to be something that I can only provide by being your depositor (otherwise I'll get beaten by someone who provides those services without the added burden of holding and securing your physical money. You've basically designed a system that increases the costs of being a bank, and eliminates the mai…

That's a very good point. I think services could include things like financial management, checking, sending/receiving fees, etc. You're right, in this model it wouldn't be nearly as profitable to be a bank as it is now. Potentially, it could be a "public good" provided by the government, or it could be like a lot of the brokerages who provide investment services and charge a commission on top. Also, you're right it…

CBDC maybe? Let everyone have an account at central bank, then allow transactions to and from that account. No need to involve bank, have whole system paid by government as public service.

Then you could have banks handle the process of matching lenders to depositors. With varying systems...

Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

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This, these bonds/mbs are liquid instruments, they just lost value at market prices. When I make a deposit in a bank I am not purchasing a CD - I expect full liquidity. If the bank invested my deposit in something that lost money but should be worth my deposit amount in X years that is purely the bank’s fault, not my fault.

Here's the more mindblowing thing... not only are those MBS and treasuries completely liquid... they're correlated to interest rates! The fed has been forecasting interest rate hikes every single quarter. Every. Single. Quarter. They had plenty of time to roll over these investments at a slight loss. Heck, even reducing their exposure 50% would have been enough to not end up in this mess. Instead, they waited until i…

> by most accounts, the fed is going to do another 50bps hike nex

Is this one possibly one of the 'the Fed broke something' scenarios that might lead to quicker rate cuts ?

Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

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An explainer post [1] connected to that Tweet is something I found extremely informative (assuming it's accurate): "- In 2021 SVB saw a mass influx in deposits, which jumped from $61.76bn at the end of 2019 to $189.20bn at the end of 2021. - As deposits grew, SVB could not grow their loan book fast enough to generate the yield they wanted to see on this capital. As a result, they purchased a large amount (over $80bn!…

> - The issue is that as the Fed raised interest rates in 2022 and continued to do so through 2023, the value of SVB’s MBS plummeted. This is because investors can now purchase long-duration "risk-free" bonds from the Fed at a 2.5x higher yield. Let's be clear, the issue wasn't that the Fed raised rates to a historically average level, it was that they were manipulating the bond market in 2021 with trillions of dolla…

> When central bankers make government bonds trade like meme stocks this is what happens

That’s what happens when people buy meme stock. I think the failure of the goverment and the bank are unrelated here.

Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

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An explainer post [1] connected to that Tweet is something I found extremely informative (assuming it's accurate): "- In 2021 SVB saw a mass influx in deposits, which jumped from $61.76bn at the end of 2019 to $189.20bn at the end of 2021. - As deposits grew, SVB could not grow their loan book fast enough to generate the yield they wanted to see on this capital. As a result, they purchased a large amount (over $80bn!…

"to generate the yield they wanted to see on this capital." Sticking to unrealistic goals seems to to be the downfall of a lot of financial institutions (and probably a lot of other companies). Same happened with Deutsche Bank in the 2000s. The CEO declared that they wanted to achieve higher ROI and to achieve this they had to start doing ever riskier stuff until it blew up in their faces (and the taxpayer generously…

Exactly that. I am wondering why the “pressure” to generate more yield or any yield at all. It is counterintuitive to me to view the startups deposits as investments and not as saved money to be used later, hence no need for a risky or any yield (even if part of the savings will be washed by inflation year over year)

Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

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An explainer post [1] connected to that Tweet is something I found extremely informative (assuming it's accurate): "- In 2021 SVB saw a mass influx in deposits, which jumped from $61.76bn at the end of 2019 to $189.20bn at the end of 2021. - As deposits grew, SVB could not grow their loan book fast enough to generate the yield they wanted to see on this capital. As a result, they purchased a large amount (over $80bn!…

This logic is counterintuitive to me “As deposits grew, SVB could not grow their loan book fast enough to generate the yield they wanted to see on this capital.”. Startups are not depositing the money in SVB to invest it, they are storing it for future use. Why the pressure to generate yield and grow the loan book “fast enough”?

https://twitter.com/AhmadBaracat/status/1634293096639787008?...

Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

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An explainer post [1] connected to that Tweet is something I found extremely informative (assuming it's accurate): "- In 2021 SVB saw a mass influx in deposits, which jumped from $61.76bn at the end of 2019 to $189.20bn at the end of 2021. - As deposits grew, SVB could not grow their loan book fast enough to generate the yield they wanted to see on this capital. As a result, they purchased a large amount (over $80bn!…

> "- In 2021 SVB saw a mass influx in deposits, which jumped from $61.76bn at the end of 2019 to $189.20bn at the end of 2021.

Would be interesting to see where that money came from. That has all the markings of a pump before a dump, the dump being 2023. They didn't even have to dump, they just had to stop the pump to auto dump once the interest rates went up.

SVB opened themselves up to an attack vector and one thing the banking industry likes to do now and again is consolidate and shakeout. That amount of inflow in good times can make you do funny things. The better way to go about it is be scrappy always, and expect the attacks.

There were way too many companies in this bank, it had too much concentration of startup/VC/PE money. Regulations will probably have to be made around this now more robust.

HBS is even realizing too much optimization/efficiency is a bad thing. The slack/margin is squeezing out an ability to change vectors quickly. This is happening from supply chain to credit to food and more.

The High Price of Efficiency, Our Obsession with Efficiency Is Destroying Our Resilience [1]

> Superefficient businesses create the potential for social disorder.

> A superefficient dominant model elevates the risk of catastrophic failure.

> *If a system is highly efficient, odds are that efficient players will game it.*

[1] https://hbr.org/2019/01/the-high-price-of-efficiency

Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

#808
post #671

An explainer post [1] connected to that Tweet is something I found extremely informative (assuming it's accurate): "- In 2021 SVB saw a mass influx in deposits, which jumped from $61.76bn at the end of 2019 to $189.20bn at the end of 2021. - As deposits grew, SVB could not grow their loan book fast enough to generate the yield they wanted to see on this capital. As a result, they purchased a large amount (over $80bn!…

> - The issue is that as the Fed raised interest rates in 2022 and continued to do so through 2023, the value of SVB’s MBS plummeted. This is because investors can now purchase long-duration "risk-free" bonds from the Fed at a 2.5x higher yield. Let's be clear, the issue wasn't that the Fed raised rates to a historically average level, it was that they were manipulating the bond market in 2021 with trillions of dolla…

> SVB being a bank was basically forced by regulation to buy long-dated bonds for yield.

Is this true?

Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

#809

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At first glance, bank balance sheets are unintuitive and feel 'the wrong way round'. When someone deposits $1m at a bank, the bank doesn't have $1m more assets, it has $1m more liabilities. (Yes, this is a gross over-simplification)

Not an expert, but was having some thoughts. Let debt be a graph where the nodes are people (with ledgers) and the edges are all of the form "alice rents $x from bob for y% APR". Actions that resolve/relax graph are payments of the form "alice pays bob $z", that lead to all balances being 0. Let the edges decay to null when balance is 0, such that a 'resolved graph' is simply a list of nodes with no edges, meaning 'n…

I think what makes this sound so profound is that the second point sounds like a shadowy, centralised cabal. In reality it's a lot of the participants in the graph, for various reasons.

Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

#810

An explainer post [1] connected to that Tweet is something I found extremely informative (assuming it's accurate): "- In 2021 SVB saw a mass influx in deposits, which jumped from $61.76bn at the end of 2019 to $189.20bn at the end of 2021. - As deposits grew, SVB could not grow their loan book fast enough to generate the yield they wanted to see on this capital. As a result, they purchased a large amount (over $80bn!…

This logic is counterintuitive to me “As deposits grew, SVB could not grow their loan book fast enough to generate the yield they wanted to see on this capital.”. Startups are not depositing the money in SVB to invest it, they are storing it for future use. Why the pressure to generate yield and grow the loan book “fast enough”? https://twitter.com/AhmadBaracat/status/1634293096639787008?...

There was no explicit need or requirement for SVB to buy MBS at 1% yield, yes. Poor management handling too much money.

They also could have hedged the interest rate risk. Likely there will be policy change as a result of this. Banks over some AUM requiring stricter regulations

The Fed is complicit in encouraging moral hazard through distortion of the bond market. Pretty much every crisis in the modern era is precipitated by fed policy from years earlier

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