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Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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If we're actually serious about this, we should get rid of roads altogether and replace them with rail tracks. That solves 95% of the automation problem anyway.

Not even rails, could be magnetic, and make cars like maglev trains. Wear and tear would be negligible too, since there's no friction.

Lol

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If we're actually serious about this, we should get rid of roads altogether and replace them with rail tracks. That solves 95% of the automation problem anyway.

US passenger rail is unsafe. We have no way near the level of sophistication of European passenger rail transport. We have a significantly higher number of derailments. Even the worst European rail is more safe than US rail.

Just let Japan build US rail, and copy paste Dutch city planning, guarantee it’ll be much better and cheaper than anything anyone in US government would come up with and requires 0 brain power.

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I'm not sure that the people who want one of those will want them if: * they are not the first (or in the first ~50 or so) to get there * they have a lot of money and a lot of income on Earth This is kind of a glory-seeking thing for people who haven't made a name for themselves otherwise. Rich people would want to have a return flight. That is not a recipe for making a ton of money.

think of it this way: you go there, work for a company, in a spare time, you find gold, raise capital to start mining it, got rich, build a huge house with swimming pools, and all the rich attributes, but on Mars. Mars will be colonized with great mixture of science and initiative people. Your kids will grew up in this environment, they'll receive best education and endless room for possibilities.

I really can't figure out if this is serious or not.

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No need to worry about the return trip if it's unlikely that anyone would survive the trip there, right?

”Six days after the radiation-wrecked colonists emerged from the battered Starship, the Emperor of Mars condemned them all to death by suffocation for ‘insufficiently engaging with his tweets’. Historians debate the meaning of this expression found carved in a rock outside the base.”

I've read two separate sci-fi novels recently which make some passing reference to the remains of a failed Musk settlement on Mars. Definite shades of this.

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I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.

I get that gloating when your enemies fail is one of life's big pleasures, but would your opinion on the guy change if we lived an alternate universe where Tesla had gotten FSD working?

And what if we lived in a universe where he'd fed 5,000 people with seven loaves of bread and a few fish?

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I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.

Why do you hate the idea of going to Mars so much? https://idlewords.com/2023/1/why_not_mars.htm I would love to go there, even if it meant I died the second I step foot on it. Getting back would be the last thing on my mind.

> I would love to go there, even if it meant I died the second I step foot on it. Getting back would be the last thing on my mind

Seems like a particularly over-the-top suicide method.

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How would the FSD beta program kill me? I realize that not everybody is in agreement, but I personally use the FSD beta while remaining fully in control of the vehicle. I steer with it, I watch the road conditions, I check my blind spots when it is changing lanes, I hit the accelerator if it is slowing unexpectedly, I hit the brakes if it is not... You know, basically behaving exactly as the terms you have to agree t…

How can you be sure you aren't just being overconfident about your ability to prevent an accident?

... 35 accident-free years? :-). Obviously I don't want to be complacent, and I need to be on top of aging related decline of abilities...

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Until your car decides to randomly slam on its brakes and cause a pile up.

If my car slams on its brakes, and this causes you to hit me, then you are exactly the type of person I wish was using FSD. You're following too close to me for the conditions, you're distracted, or some combination of both. My car might have to emergency brake for any number of reasons. This should never cause a pileup, and if it does it's your fault, not mine.

That’s.. dumb.

I’m the type of person who keeps a lot of car lengths between me and the car ahead like you are /supposed to/ but I’ve also had someone panic stop in from of me and, due to road conditions, I cannot stop in time and have hit them. Not hard. But did all the same.

FSD and similar aren’t magic bullets that would prevent that. People like you who seem to think they are are also part of the problem.

Would a completely automated roadway be fucking awesome for safety and productivity and relaxation? Yes. Is it going to happen anytime soon? Doubtful.

Blows my mind how many people are totally willing to risk their own safety and everyone else’s using known buggy as fuck software. On the road. At 70mph. In a 2 ton vehicle.

… but it hasn’t been an issue for you! You say. Ok.

But I also watch dumb asses lane hop with barely enough room to pass likes it’s a video game and then act surprised when they wreck. So I guess I’m giving people too much credit.

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Until your car decides to randomly slam on its brakes and cause a pile up.

If someone brake checks and you hit them, you're just as much of a problem. Learn defensive driving and stop driving so close to another driver. Keep a safe distance.

Tailgating pisses me off. I don’t do it.

But this backlash to my comment about hard braking and wrecks is kind of hilarious.

Basically, my point is that Tesla has made egregiously bullshit claims about FSD and autopilot. They have given them misleading names. And people who want to “live in the fuuuuture” have eaten it up and are using the Teslas like they are actually capable of driving themselves 100% of the time. In all conditions.

If anything, it has made people who rely on it seemingly worse, inattentive drivers.

So while I’m glad y’all enjoy your purchased vehicle, don’t pretend all gripes and complaints lobbed at them are invalid or someone else’s fault. That’s asinine and childish.

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…what? No I am not following that. The safety score is a representation of the metrics used to determine the insurance rate. This is not in any way circular. The insurance rate and the safety score are representative of the same thing: safe driving. https://www.tesla.com/support/safety-score#version-1.2

They're both from Tesla. There's no real proof that they're representative of safe driving. And you kind of want it to flow both ways: "the safety score represents good driving, so I get cheaper insurance" and "I get cheaper insurance so the safety score must represent good driving". You're trying to use each of these things to validate the other so you can then claim it's something entirely else. I think it's tellin…

You are talking to someone who is excited about… The Future (tm). And will defend their purchase and choices to the death. So I doubt there is any reason to continue. The fact they even gave us their Tesla given “safety rating” like it was something to give a shit about says a lot.

We are all glad your car is giving you head pats and game badges.

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