Twitter is the platform where world leaders, celebrities, billionaires and famous politicians can insult and threat each other. That is valuable and is not going away.
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You want them to provide a citation for their opinion?
Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said
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See also: Tumblr losing Yahoo/Verizon nearly a Billion dollars with it's own implosion.
Oh come now. Tumblr didn’t fail due to engineers sabotaging it. It failed because the new owners decided that they were too squeamish for porn and it turned out that porn was what sustained Tumblr. This was Yahoo simply not understanding what the product actually was.
> This was Yahoo simply not understanding what the product actually was.
This is Yahoo's core competency though: not understanding what their product actually is.
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#803I'd be pissed off if I were a TSLA stock owner. Is Twitter paying Tesla to contract out these employees for their work? Otherwise, it's tons of thousands of dollars Tesla is pissing away on behalf of the CEO's side-hustle.
When you invest in a company like Tesla, you're investing your money and your trust that ultimately there will be a return.
Would you be angry if he gave everyone a 2 week vacation as recognition for doing something good? Part of what motivates engineers is recognition, and being asked to work on some project outside the company for a few weeks is recognizing that your input as an engineer is that valued.
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#804Surprised how sceptical all the comments here are. Dick or not the guy has a talent for building companies
Particularly interesting argument they’re making too, that Twitter is a bunch of write-only code, unreadable by any other engineers.
I guess their point about it being more distributed is valid to some extent but yeah struck me as a little strange too.
Then again starlink is quite uhm distributed too...
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#805The most bizarre aspect of this was when Twitter engineers were told to print out their code on paper. There is literally no good reason to do that. At best it is staggering incompetence. At worst it is an intentionally pointless and expensive exercise that serves purely as a loyalty test.
Were they? The article said they were told to "stop printing". As in "stop the presses", perhaps. Still sounds weird, though - maybe the author of the invite is not a native English speaker?
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I'm not pissed and I am a stockholder. To me it makes a lot of sense. I doubt they are reviewing the entire code base. It seems like Elon is particularly interested in the automated systems that control content and detect bots. To that end, Tesla has a lot of expertise in AI systems.
I get the impression you aren’t a software engineer. So to clarify: AI is not generalized enough to the point where there’d be much common expertise unless, say, this code review was very narrowly focused on computer vision. And even then this article specifically talks about code review, which, unless you have the context of the Twitter codebase isn’t going to be very meaningful. You might do this if you’re buying a…
Both the vision systems at Tesla and the bot-detection at Twitter are classifiers. Both would have trained on large datasets. Both would have domain specific feature detection sitting below a more general algorithm. Both would have a similar basis for evaluation. Both have real-time constraints on the classification problem. An engineer (who is probably an ML specialist) familiar with one would not be starting from scratch in understanding and evaluating the other system.
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Comments like this makes me lose faith i humanity. If I were a engineer at Twitter, I'd do my absolute best up to the minute I have to leave the premises. Because I would care about the company, my colleagues and most importantly for the >200m people who use Twitter for fun, educational, business and those who depend on it. But it's probably because I'm an old beard, who value being honest and ethical, to be the bett…
> ... Twitter ... honest and ethical That's, IMO, an absurd contradiction. If you value honesty and ethics, you don't work at twitter. It's detrimental to mental health and society, possibly more so than facebook, just for the money. And now Musk might try to use it for his own political and financial agenda. If that risk is serious, running twitter into the ground might be the most ethical thing an employee could do…
> It's detrimental to mental health and society
Got a source for that? Sounds like you expanded that personal anecdote a bit too much.
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#808I dunno why any Twitter engineers would be really trying that hard right now. Passively destroying Twitter from within by not trying, and trying to make a billionare lose 44 billion dollars is a significantly more fun and interesting challenge than making Twitter a better product.
If these numbers are right and they're laying off 50% the workforce, half of me wonders how much Parag could raise to build a new Twitter from scratch and just hire 500 - 1000 talented folks off the street for the venture, I mean if Travis K could raise almost a billion for his shitty ghost kitchen venture I'd have to think they could get enough runway to get something launched pretty quickly. There's so many "What w…
Parag is not an entrepreneur, he has 0 track record. I expect him to start a podcast:D
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Comments like this makes me lose faith i humanity. If I were a engineer at Twitter, I'd do my absolute best up to the minute I have to leave the premises. Because I would care about the company, my colleagues and most importantly for the >200m people who use Twitter for fun, educational, business and those who depend on it. But it's probably because I'm an old beard, who value being honest and ethical, to be the bett…
What is the point of this self-imposed honor when the person at the top is more than happy to play you as the fool? Musk certainly didn’t act with much honesty or ethics in this deal, do you think he’s done an abrupt about face to suddenly be upstanding? And knowing that, being willingly taken advantage of only enables this poor behavior. I can see your point if it was some kind of critical infrastructure like a hosp…
> What is the point of this self-imposed honor when the person at the top is more than happy to play you as the fool?
You don’t swap honor like a pair of gloves depending on who you’re dealing with or what they think of you.
You’re either honorable or not.
If one stops being honorable because of minor changes in external circumstances, I don’t believe they were honorable to begin with.
“I’m honest, fair, and worthy of respect only when it’s comfortable or suits me” is not honorable.
When winds start blowing the other way, that’s when one’s true character is tested.
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#810I don't at all object to code reviews/evaluation, but the thing I wonder about is this: I rarely open an empty file and write some big block of code. 98% of the time I'm fixing bugs in legacy code or shimming in some new feature. It would be trivial to produce the diffs I generated in the past 30 or 60 days, but the volume of code isn't really a great metric for my productivity. There may be some three line change th…
I once reviewed code for a company that got purchased. I took less than a few hours to reach conclusion. There were 7 developers and in 2 months only one was writing code. The entire team but that one developer was fired. Twitter has grown a reputation for being slow and a rest and vest haven. Won't be surprised if they are looking for people not writing code. On a different note, If you're in a large org and all you…
＞ There were 7 developers and in 2 months only one was writing code.
I would suppose you were looking at many more signs and metric, but then you say it only took you a few hours, so perhaps not ?
I’d assume that dev wasn’t actually writing alone, and people had to discuss the design, talk with the PO/stakeholder, review the code, eventually QA it, manage the deployments etc. Perhaps that poor soul was doing everything alone…but really ?
I can readily think of a few people in my current company that are absolutely drowned by merge request reviews and technical design work, even as their title is just “developper”. I wouldn’t be surprised if they haven’t written a line in weeks, and perhaps one or two fixes in months. They are absolutely critical and I would laugh so hard if someone buying us just fired them because they couldn’t bother looking at other stuff than code written.