Dear Chess World
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Re: Dear Chess World
#802Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, cycling is plagued with lots of similar problems (doping, people hiding electric motors in their bikes etc.), so yeah, I would argue the same there. On the other hand the very act of cycling improves health, so it's much more suitable as a sport for humans. Chess may have some arguable benefits, but it's very hard to detect so. Of course, everything depends on "the market" - if people want to watch human chess…
> I'm sure we can invent much better competitive games that are not that prone to these problems. I rather doubt that. Go was thought to be much harder to solve, but AI has caught up there, and with techniques that will probably generalise to any similar games.
I didn't say "similar" games, just games that are better suited for humans than computers.
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#803Some interesting meta observations for the few people who read my comment in this already enormous thread. I noticed that opinions on the issue seemed split rather 50/50 until I started seeing the same couple of names over and over on the "no evidence of cheating" side. And in fact, searching the HTML document for this page for a particularly prolific name yields that they make up about 10% of all posts in the thread…
The issue is fairly split. I saw a poll recently: yes and no were split, but "I don't know" took up a large majority.
I don't think it's too surprising that some people have strong opinions about this matter either.
Re: Dear Chess World
#804Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm sure we can invent much better competitive games that are not that prone to these problems. I rather doubt that. Go was thought to be much harder to solve, but AI has caught up there, and with techniques that will probably generalise to any similar games.
I didn't say "similar" games, just games that are better suited for humans than computers.
Well, if you want to replace Chess you'll need something that scratches the same itch, which will probably involve some level of similarity. It's hard to even define the terms of a question like "is cycling better than chess?" - maybe, but even if you have a compelling argument for why, you're unlikely to convince people to switch from one to another.
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#805Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just "e6" would likely be enough context in most situations. Sometimes only one piece can legally move there. Sometimes it's obvious which piece should move there once the position is pointed out.
I watched the livestreams of Andrea Botez's games in Vegas. Something I was really struck by is even though she's not a GM strength player, her mental board visualization skills are way up there. She did post game debriefs on the streams where she went rapid fire through hundreds of variations with her cohost just verbally. She'd go through them faster than the host could click to show chat at times. Now imagine what…
Half the reason people believe Hans was cheating is cause he couldn't do this for the game in question.
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#807Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps play naked in a Faraday cage?
You don’t need a faraday cage if you suspect he gets the moves from outside. Just put a 20 minute delay to the video feed and don’t allow random people in the room.
he could be sending info out of the room by clenching whatever muscle. Need Faraday cage.
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#808A key fact to understand in thinking about cheating in over the board chess: a strong player can defeat a much stronger opponent with just 1-3 hints per game indicating the strongest move. For example, most chess experts agree that a ~2600 rated player with 2-3 hints at key moments per game would be expected to beat a ~2800 rated player. Many people might assume that a cheater needs guidance every move, thereby requi…
The St. Louis chess club provided more checking / scrutiny than any other OTB tournament I have seen. How would you improve their process? Honestly would love to hear.
the TSA airport x-ray scanners, would they do a nice job of finding devices internal or external?
Re: Dear Chess World
#809A key fact to understand in thinking about cheating in over the board chess: a strong player can defeat a much stronger opponent with just 1-3 hints per game indicating the strongest move. For example, most chess experts agree that a ~2600 rated player with 2-3 hints at key moments per game would be expected to beat a ~2800 rated player. Many people might assume that a cheater needs guidance every move, thereby requi…
> most chess experts agree that a ~2600 rated player with 2-3 hints at key moments per game would be expected to beat a ~2800 rated player source? sounds like bs to me
chess experts do agree on that, they've all been saying it on various youtube channels, i was even irritated when I saw it written here cuz I was like "you're just repeating the same stuff I've been hearing"
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#810Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Also, clever cheating devices have been found in over the board chess competitions The most convincing candidate for such a device I've seen is an Illuminati Thumper Pro hidden in Hans's shoe: https://illuminati-magic.com/products/thumper . If you watch the footage of him getting scanned before his match with Alireza (and, crucially, before Magnus announced he was dropping), there are a couple of subtle things that…
Tangent: any hack magician that uses that device deserves to lose their career.
As opposed to chess, magic is about lying and cheating. Everybody knows it and everybody is fine with it in magic, as you can see here in Dary's legendary ambitious card routine:
https://youtu.be/w4iu5FMaR2o?t=71
Edit: At the grand finale at 7:51 he says it again: "I haven't cheated yet, but it's coming up."