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Queen Elizabeth II has died

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Re: Queen Elizabeth II has died

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Post by cplusplusfellow »

sdfjkl wrote: post #697

Imagine being groomed to do this job from birth, with no real way to opt out[1]. You wanted to breed horses, become a blacksmith or start a business? Get that nonsense out of your head, you're a princess! Then, when you're 25, your daddy dies aged only 56 and after a rather brief period of mourning you get pushed into taking his job in a pompous ceremony. Now you're going to be doing this until you die. No retirement…

> I bet there were times where Lilibet just wanted to go to her room and cry.

Somehow I think those of us who also feel this way and dear Lilibet had very different experiences doing so.

Re: Queen Elizabeth II has died

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Post by clairity »

dang wrote: post #762
2pEXgD0fZ5cF wrote: post #716

I gotta admit that it is a bit weird to see british royalty being so heavily privileged that they even get special moderation treatment here on HN to protect them (?) from any negativity, or rather stop negativity about them. I'm not keen on the idea of using this submission to flame the Queen, I obviously agree with the general rule of avoiding flamebait, what I mean is that other HN submissions on the deaths of peo…

It wasn't really special moderation treatment, though I understand why it looks like that way now. It was because, when the thread was getting going, it flooded with crap comments (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32769222 , https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32769043 ). I decided to come down hard on those to try to ward off a shitshow. It would have been the same in any thread that was filling up that wa…

> (a) the story was on-topic, and (b) it's such a big story that we couldn't get rid of it if we wanted to—people would just repost it until one got past us.

but somehow the dozens of kobe bryant posts didn't get past you, even though it was just as big of a death and just as on-topic (anything piquing curiosity, right?). i'd suggest being even-handed about these kinds of posts, rather than allowing some to be flagged off the front page because [black, athlete, relentless winner, investor, entrepreneur, oscar awardee, loving father, ... ], would help temper the backlash.

none or all such posts should be allowed, but not the picking and choosing that happens currently, which is highly disrespectful in the same way you're criticizing others here.

Re: Queen Elizabeth II has died

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Post by VictorPath »

zoom6628 wrote: post #797

World has lost a person of great decency and stability in a time of increasing nationalism and unhinged politicians. Regardless views on monarchy and “the firm’s “ happenings the Queen was a standout beacon of loyalty and commitment that we all could learn from and whom commanded utmost respect from everyone. I was born in UK but grew up in NZ and now I live in HK and wherever I have been over the decades the Queen i…

> World has lost a person of great decency and stability in a time of increasing nationalism

Yaa it was real decent of her to pin medals on the parachute regiment who shot down unarmed men in Derry protesting about the internment of political prisoners in concentration camps without trial. But they were "increasing nationalism" (against the nationalism of the foreign English occupiers) so it's ok.

Re: Queen Elizabeth II has died

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Post by rcarr »

andrepd wrote: post #206

Not that this is quite the right time, but is there any list of the Queen's achievements that isn't simply "she lived for very long" and "she witnessed some important events"? I fail to see why this is impressive.

In addition to what I’ve previously put I’d also like to add: she listened to people. Have a look at this anecdote from Jonathan Sacks:

https://twitter.com/grahamrkings/status/1567983024402305027?...

Take a counselling course and you’ll quickly learn that truly listening to people is a difficult and very valuable skill. Ask any counsellor and they’ll tell you that even for the most compassionate people, it can actually be quite emotionally exhausting to give their undivided attention to someone for hour after hour, day after day. It is in fact, best practice for BACP counsellors to schedule an hour with another BACP therapist for every 12? hours (this might not be the exact number but it’s somewhere in this ball park) spent with clients in order to discuss their own state of mind and decompress. The Queen had many luxuries but I doubt this was one of them.

Re: Queen Elizabeth II has died

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Post by ActionHank »

the_lucifer wrote: post #741
mcbishop wrote: post #723

> From commoners to heads of state, the queen has been known to smooth over embarrassing situations with a gentle quip or two. According to Blaikie, at a Buckingham Palace Garden Party, a woman was chatting with the queen when her cell phone embarrassingly started ringing. “You’d better answer that,” the queen told her. “It might be someone important.” > Then there was the notorious incident that occurred during Char…

Aw, may she rest in peace. :(

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Re: Queen Elizabeth II has died

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Post by elil17 »

sdfjkl wrote: post #697

Imagine being groomed to do this job from birth, with no real way to opt out[1]. You wanted to breed horses, become a blacksmith or start a business? Get that nonsense out of your head, you're a princess! Then, when you're 25, your daddy dies aged only 56 and after a rather brief period of mourning you get pushed into taking his job in a pompous ceremony. Now you're going to be doing this until you die. No retirement…

You could absolutely abdicate. You could, if you really believed in democracy, peacefully dissolve the monarchy. I understand that that would have meant losing many members of her family, and I understand on a personal level why she would not choose to do that.

She did go beyond simply maintaining the monarchy - she worked to influence legislation to, among other things, hide her personal wealth, give her and her family an exemption from seatbelt laws, and make it easier to lease land for development. Pretty minor issues all things considered, probably much more mild than the average MP, but it does not sit right with me given that she was unelected and in office for life.

Re: Queen Elizabeth II has died

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Post by Rackedup »

saberience wrote: post #71

It's weird, I've never considered myself a "royalist" but this news has affected me quite strongly. I just burst into tears unexpectedly on hearing this news and I don't quite understand why I feel so very sad. I guess I have grown up and lived my whole life (as a Brit) seeing and hearing the Queen, singing "God save the Queen" etc, and this news made me suddenly feel very old, very nostalgic, with the sense that all…

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Re: Queen Elizabeth II has died

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Post by encryptluks2 »

93po wrote: post #761
2pEXgD0fZ5cF wrote: post #716

I gotta admit that it is a bit weird to see british royalty being so heavily privileged that they even get special moderation treatment here on HN to protect them (?) from any negativity, or rather stop negativity about them. I'm not keen on the idea of using this submission to flame the Queen, I obviously agree with the general rule of avoiding flamebait, what I mean is that other HN submissions on the deaths of peo…

I love hating on moderation and I'm always ready to be critical of it, and of dang, if it's warranted. But I will say "monarchy is bad" comments are boring and don't lead to interesting discussion. There's a million other places to express that if you want.

But hundreds of comments repeating the most boring things like "she will be missed" aren't better left for the I Love Being Ruled Over Facebook Group?

Re: Queen Elizabeth II has died

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Post by digianarchist »

93po wrote: post #761
2pEXgD0fZ5cF wrote: post #716

I gotta admit that it is a bit weird to see british royalty being so heavily privileged that they even get special moderation treatment here on HN to protect them (?) from any negativity, or rather stop negativity about them. I'm not keen on the idea of using this submission to flame the Queen, I obviously agree with the general rule of avoiding flamebait, what I mean is that other HN submissions on the deaths of peo…

I love hating on moderation and I'm always ready to be critical of it, and of dang, if it's warranted. But I will say "monarchy is bad" comments are boring and don't lead to interesting discussion. There's a million other places to express that if you want.

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