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Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by lupire »

tsol wrote: post #782
pbuzbee wrote: post #573

Is this a shock? - Demanding work: 12 hour shifts, irregular schedules, night shifts, physically exhausting, limited breaks (including bathroom/water!) - High responsibility with unsafe conditions. You're literally responsible for people's lives. Poor staffing ratios stretch you thin and make you more likely to make mistakes. And if you make a mistake, you're at huge risk for litigation... and now criminal consequenc…

The pay was good enough last year, what changed? In my opinon nursing has always been a difficult job, yet they've always had people lining up to become nurses. So it must be more than just 'the job is too demanding'.

COVID protocols and protestors, combined with the decay of the ongoing K-12 and college education system, Great Resignation, and general economic malaise of Millennials and Zoomers.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by WalterBright »

munk-a wrote: post #742
WalterBright wrote: post #651

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet the government budgets rise dramatically year after year.

The government is one of the few places where you can get a job in your twenties and retire comfortably in your 60s having made a decent, but certainly not outstanding, amount of money with consistent raises and cost of living adjustments. What some people will call government waste - other people will call ethical employee treatment... sure there are a lot of other sources of inefficiency outside of your comment - b…

I complain about getting a lifetime pension after 20 years of service. A career is 22-65 or 43 years.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by lupire »

cptaj wrote: post #800

The entire medical profession is insane and intentionally geared towards inefficiency and difficulty. They pride themselves in it being so hard instead of realizing that this is glaring problem that needs to be solved instead of nurtured. This begins from medschool being prohibitively hard, to a lack of global licensing process, to doctors being on duty for 36+hrs when you cant legally drive a truck without stopping…

That's not how nursing works.

And truckers are being abused in similar ways.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by lupire »

cryptonector wrote: post #789
titanomachy wrote: post #594

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If we stop providing health care to young people, then everyone will just die and there won't be any old people left to profit off of.

No, more likely you'd see a ton of alternative medicine and self-diagnostic/treatment options for young people. I'm not entirely sure that I wouldn't want this.

You want young people using GOOP for medical care?

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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mfer wrote: post #46

I've spent a fair amount of time talking with nurses about the problems. I'm related to a bunch of people who are nurses across disciplines (ER, ICU, med/surg, etc). It's been enlightening hearing them talk about the problems... 1. Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses. It's frustrating when the nurse in charge with the most experience is making less than new nurses. Some hospitals are even tryin…

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Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by lupire »

black_puppydog wrote: post #325
germinalphrase wrote: post #55

I have a close relation that works for one of the oldest pediatric hospitals in the country. It was recently revealed that they will be shuttering almost all pediatric services in the next year because they can 10x their profits by only serving elderly clients. The entire purpose of this organization was to provide pediatric healthcare, and it wasn’t losing money… Sometimes, it feels like we’re min-maxing ourselves t…

Yeah if they're only after profits, why not become a hedge fund?

Hedgefunds don't get to perpetrate $Billion Medicare fraud and then get elected to the Governor and Senate. (HCA / Rick Scott).

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by lupire »

Bilal_io wrote: post #579
germinalphrase wrote: post #55

I have a close relation that works for one of the oldest pediatric hospitals in the country. It was recently revealed that they will be shuttering almost all pediatric services in the next year because they can 10x their profits by only serving elderly clients. The entire purpose of this organization was to provide pediatric healthcare, and it wasn’t losing money… Sometimes, it feels like we’re min-maxing ourselves t…

So, a hospital can close a service with no repercussions, and if workers at a "critical" secure decide to strike they'd be ordered by a judge to get back to work... I hate every part of it.

And then they go to jail if the computer glitches or police kill someone in their presence.

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Post by raydev »

BeetleB wrote: post #686
raydev wrote: post #557

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> Nursing is a well paying Only in a vaccuum. It pays far worse than other jobs at the same rate given the effort and stress the job entails. > don't they get more leverage on what QOL and wages they can demand ? Sure, but it needs to get far worse. The hospitals are only going to budge once walkouts are organized. But that can't happen without strong unions, most nurses just need to pay the bills which is why they c…

> It pays far worse than other jobs at the same rate given the effort and stress the job entails. Depends on location. Most professions I know with that much effort and stress get paid a lot less than $100K, which is the median nurse pay in my area. Amazon pays a lot less.

Not sure what you're responding to.

My point is that you can get a BA and go sit at a decently cushy desk job for 60k-80k/year in many parts of the US. Nursing might pay a bit more but at much greater cost to one's health.

> Amazon pays a lot less.

Yes, I wasn't comparing nursing to jobs with much lower wages.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Post by killjoywashere »

safdahfslh23s wrote: post #468
mfer wrote: post #46

I've spent a fair amount of time talking with nurses about the problems. I'm related to a bunch of people who are nurses across disciplines (ER, ICU, med/surg, etc). It's been enlightening hearing them talk about the problems... 1. Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses. It's frustrating when the nurse in charge with the most experience is making less than new nurses. Some hospitals are even tryin…

My partner is a physician in an ICU and a lot of her colleagues have talked about leaving the field as well. Their complaints are #2 & #3 along with: 5. Pay cuts - Most of the critical doctor specialties (ER, ICU, primary) that were the backbone of the pandemic got "raises" that were less than inflation (hers was 1.5%) while profitable elective specialties got big raises. The root cause is the billing system where el…

Thank the hero of Medicare, Lyndon Johnson. When CMS actually needed to start pricing things, he directed them to his old buddy, the famous heart surgeon, Michael DeBakey. DeBakey sent a couple fellows of his to DC to write up the price list for CMS. Shockingly, surgical procedures got a lot of money and office visits got approximately nothing. This has propogated for 60 years now with increasing precision as the rate of inflation gets applied over and over. A WAG of "10,000 for bypass" is now "57,348.32 +/- 343.43" but the error represents the uncertainty in inflation over time, not any better resolution on the cost of the procedure.
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