Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro • Hacker News Board

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by seoulmetro » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:34 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #797

seoulmetro wrote: post #793

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't race grievances though. It's marketing grievances... on a product that we're discussing. I understand. I've seen several cases where you've moderated unfairly in order to maintain some form of status quo, where the quo is just an opinion that we all have to share. Familiarised myself with the rules long ago, but it doesn't really matter since anything that someone might get upset at is suddenly hovered wit…

Of course it was race grievance. That was obvious and unmistakeable—as it also is in comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28925162 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28925097 , btw. Your statements about moderation are inaccurate in ways I think I just addressed.

Yes. None of those break the rules. I guess you can address whatever you want because at the end of the day (post), it's clear that you're not actually going to moderate appropriately and are just trying to generate an echo chamber.

That's cool though. It's your website, not ours. You're free to censor whatever you want.

My statements are accurate though. You won't be able to censor that out.

Edit: Since you seem to miss a lot of actual inappropriate material, I've flagged it for you. Hope you can learn from my experience.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by lostmsu » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:41 PM UTC

BoorishBears wrote: post #792

lostmsu wrote: post #768

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Swiping back to the reader won't close the browser tab.

Oh then that makes this the perfect example of what I mean: iOS has Safari Services for when an app wants to support visiting a 3rd party site (so you don't want a WebView) without leaving the app.: https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52428a0ae4b0c4... As you can see a clear "Done" button, that's straightforward enough. Hit it and you go back to the app. But even better, you can promote it to a normal brows…

This sounds worse all the way round.

1. It is a less general solution to a relatively common problem so less beautiful.

2. It probably does not work if your link is a deep link into another app, e.g. Netflix. Especially if that another app can in turn link elsewhere, e.g. IMDB

3. My default browser on Android is Firefox, cause I like my uBlock Origin.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by josephg » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 1:19 AM UTC

owlbite wrote: post #617

josephg wrote: post #542

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As I said, I agree with most of what you said. > Now as far as the iphone 6s being usable - that's my point. It is usable, on the old OS it was designed for. That phone was running the latest OS when I gave it to my friend last year. I think it might have been running faster thanks to ios 13 (or whichever version improved performance). I believe you when you say your brother's iphone 5s became unusable with subsequen…

I'm not covinced companies are out to "make their old products feel worse over time". It's just the inevitable consequence of the steady march of technological progress. A 10-20% per year performance improvements and new radio/camera hardware just add up over time and means that your old phone is worse than a new one. And that's before you take into account any degradation in things like nand and battery that they tr…

> I'm not covinced companies are out to "make their old products feel worse over time"

I don't think they're trying to make their old products worse over time. But I also don't think companies generally care that much about making old products work better over time. One of the parent commenters noted how well modern android runs on really old nexus phones if you strip out the "modern" animations and useless features. There's nothing stopping google doing this. People would love it. So its notable that they don't. Apple got a lot of good will from me a few years ago when they focussed on performance in ios 13 (or was it 12?). That OS release made my phone feel new again. After that update I think it ran faster than it did when I bought it.

Another way to think about it is that when you buy a product, your incentives and the company's incentives are aligned. You want the best phone. The company wants your money, and knows they need to deliver a good product to get it. After you've bought a product, the company's motivations aren't as well aligned with yours.

Arguably a company sells more phones in the long run when they have a good reputation for delivering on quality, and supporting their products. Eg, a few years ago some of my friends would buy every single blizzard game simply off the back of their reputation.

But most companies don't take advantage of this, and mistakenly focus on short term sales even if it harms their reputation. And, in turn, their long term profits.

As someone much wiser than me said, service and support is a form of marketing to repeat customers.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by unethical_ban » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 1:21 AM UTC

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #652

crossroadsguy wrote: post #517

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There are many reasons I’m in Apple’s walled garden but a sane phone size is simply the biggest. I sometimes think about what I’m going to get after 12 mini that I’m using is done for :) Because there are reports that Apple is done with this screen size segment.

Apple just released a 13 mini, is that not in the same screen size segment?

Also a pattern is Apple reusing physical specs for a generation or two. The 13 mini is essentially an upgraded 12 mini in the same case. There was no innovation or upgrades in design, so they likely decided to get the most out of their parts stock.

Some think the 12/13 is the last small apple phone. And like the OP implies, it's a catch 22: They only put non-premium specs on the small phone, so people don't buy them, so they justify killing it because of the size.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by dang » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 1:25 AM UTC

seoulmetro wrote: post #801

dang wrote: post #797

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it was race grievance. That was obvious and unmistakeable—as it also is in comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28925162 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28925097 , btw. Your statements about moderation are inaccurate in ways I think I just addressed.

Yes. None of those break the rules. I guess you can address whatever you want because at the end of the day (post), it's clear that you're not actually going to moderate appropriately and are just trying to generate an echo chamber. That's cool though. It's your website, not ours. You're free to censor whatever you want. My statements are accurate though. You won't be able to censor that out. Edit: Since you seem to…

Those comments obviously break the rules—they're pure flamebait. Please don't post like that to HN any more.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by octodog » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 2:00 AM UTC

wyldfire wrote: post #554

octodog wrote: post #550

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What apps are you referring to? Bixby? I've also got the S21 and never get Bixby notifications once I switched them off.

I don't know what these are but if they're objectionable enough for both of you to have turned them off it's likely that they should have been opt-in.

Bixby is Samsung's attempt at a voice assistant. I turned it off because I don't like voice assistants generally, it honestly wasn't a big deal.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by BoorishBears » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 2:26 AM UTC

lostmsu wrote: post #802

BoorishBears wrote: post #792

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh then that makes this the perfect example of what I mean: iOS has Safari Services for when an app wants to support visiting a 3rd party site (so you don't want a WebView) without leaving the app.: https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52428a0ae4b0c4... As you can see a clear "Done" button, that's straightforward enough. Hit it and you go back to the app. But even better, you can promote it to a normal brows…

This sounds worse all the way round. 1. It is a less general solution to a relatively common problem so less beautiful. 2. It probably does not work if your link is a deep link into another app, e.g. Netflix. Especially if that another app can in turn link elsewhere, e.g. IMDB 3. My default browser on Android is Firefox, cause I like my uBlock Origin.

1. What? How is a fleshed out API dedicated to presenting websites "less general"?

2. Are you talking about Custom Tabs or Safari Services? Because Safari Services handles deep links fine...

3. Custom tabs work with Firefox if enabled in Settings

I mean Custom Tabs, like most of Google's efforts on Android start, is a half-baked concept. And like most of Google's efforts on Android, there is a chance that they will actually flesh it out, and there's a chance they might not and it'll just kinda exist and undergo death by a thousand small-but-unaddressed bugs...

SFSafariViewController had its teething issues back in the day but Apple worked on it until it became something something most apps use, most people use, and it's seamless enough they don't know they're using it (especially because it supports everything Safari does, from ad blocking to reader mode)

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by kelnos » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 3:41 AM UTC

Sodman wrote: post #224

I hate the trend that the "pro" versions of all these flagship phones need to be an XL Phablet monstrosity. Human hands haven't gotten any bigger. I have owned most of the Nexus & Pixel phones throughout the years. After having the Nexus 6 as my daily driver for 2 years, I have always opted for the smaller option ever since. I would totally pay flagship prices for a regular ~5.5-6" phone with flagship specs, and I'm…

Hell, the non-pro version stretches credibility size-wise. I have a Pixel 4, and it's uncomfortably large for my (normal-sized?) hand.

For me, the sweet spot was probably around 4.5". But good luck finding a phone with flagship specs in that size.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by seoulmetro » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 4:04 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #805

seoulmetro wrote: post #801

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. None of those break the rules. I guess you can address whatever you want because at the end of the day (post), it's clear that you're not actually going to moderate appropriately and are just trying to generate an echo chamber. That's cool though. It's your website, not ours. You're free to censor whatever you want. My statements are accurate though. You won't be able to censor that out. Edit: Since you seem to…

Those comments obviously break the rules—they're pure flamebait. Please don't post like that to HN any more.

No. They do not and are not. But I'm not the decider of what gets falsely labelled as what.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 4:04 AM UTC

optymizer wrote: post #526

standardUser wrote: post #513

I couldn't wait any longer so I purchased a very expensive Samsung S21 Ultra ($1200) because no Google phone could lure me away from my fading Pixel 2 XL. My mistake, because the Samsung phone had preloaded software that took considerable effort to remove (more than most people could/would deal with). It wasn't the software itself that bothered me, but rather that there were notifications for apps I don't use that I…

I've only ever had Nexus and Pixel phones, and I've purchased most of the releases, starting with the original T-Mobile G1, which, along with the 6P, will have a special place in my heart. I finally switched to Samsung S20 last year, and my wife to OnePlus 8T. They were more expensive, but we got better hardware and noticeably better battery life. On the software side, the Samsung S20 is not only bloated, but buggy.…

> It also likes to kill background processes very aggressively

> I was pleasantly surprised with the OnePlus.

OnePlus is actually almost as bad as Samsung in this regard. [1] It's the main reason I left OnePlus and switched back to the Pixel line. Far too frustrating missing an important notification because it killed an app in the background, and it's basically just to lie that their phones have better battery life than they actually do.

[1] https://dontkillmyapp.com/